Toxic femininity v toxic masculinity

[T00ts]

I am  ... Well

With A wife, two daughters, a grand daughter...

The daughters cat, and a number of now deceased hamsters owned by the youngest daughter and grand daughter , all female .....

I'm like that character in "outnumbered"

Oh now you really do have my sympathy! For the same reason my husband always demanded male dogs!    

[johnofgwent]

I guess all that means that no you are not intimidated by the fairer sex!

I am  ... Well 

With A wife, two daughters, a grand daughter...

The daughters cat, and a number of now deceased hamsters owned by the youngest daughter and grand daughter , all female .....

I'm like that character in "outnumbered"

[T00ts]

When I was being fast tracked into management in my first job, you need to understand this was when computers filled garages, and programmers assistants typed out punched cards, we had PA's, Programmers, Senior Programmers, Consultants, and up the management line Team Leaders, Section Leaders, Group Leaders, Senior Group Leaders, Department Heads, Site Managers and then the Board ....

In the mid 1980s.....

I shared three programmers assistants with the other sections and groups, one of whom was a bloke who dressed like a scruffy punk but was the most agile mechanical guy I knew. He went all the way down the torpedo tube to sort out testing the outer door interlock. If you want to know what that's like, fire up iPlayer and watch "vigil". I can't watch it sober because I had to climb out of the tube to let him do what my nerves wouldn't let me.

I've mentioned Rose from the JPL a few times. She was one of three women who worked for me, in an industry sadly bereft of women.

I worked for a woman Senior Group Leader and one or two of her "rivals" hated it because let's not muck about my people knew what they were doing

I remember on day one when I met her when she joined the company I told her about my senior research head in my academic career, a woman who went on to get the chair as Professor of Biochemistry.

She asked me straight out how I felt working for a woman. I said I'll let her know when the main guns fail on the frigate and one of us has to climb the main mast to replace the radar interface... I went on to say the prof had a problem with a veritable harem of medical students who thought they were god's gift to men.... and frankly, were

She dealt with them by ringing my wife who at that time worked across the road and looked like Kate Beckinsale as she appeared in Van Helsing and asking her to join us for lunch ...

After which all three of us wandered into the lab where the prof introduced this group of troublemakers to me and openly told them she had picked me to be their lab supervisor and seminar tutor for the year for many reasons, mostly my research interests tied neatly with her's and theirs, but also because this is Moira who I married three months ago and looked forward to going home with every night .....

A crude and perhaps nasty way of laying down the law but guess what that was the last time they gave anyone in the department any trouble ever....

And strangely enough back at the defence job Wendy and I got on like a house on fire ....

And when the moment came on Illustrious I climbed the mast while she stayed on the deck ... after i openly said "no way are you getting up that mast ladder in those heels ....." neatly letting her off the job she admitted earlier terrified her as she was scared of heights .... But I did notice shed changed out of the heels and into regulation fireproof kit when she had to help me with that radar interface ....

At one point I was promoted out of the group into another, and my section were to be transferred to this annoying Bible thumping piece of shit who felt a woman's place was chained to the kitchen sink and quoted the acts of the apostles and Paul's letter to was it the Galatians, or the Ephesians.

Rose told him if he thought they were putting up with that, he should look up Matthew 27 verse 5, and Sian said and when you have, stick Luke 10 verse 37 after it. And my entire group male and female resigned on the spot..... So they had to transfer someone less of a bloody prick to take over from me.....

Damn, I miss those days.

I guess all that means that no you are not intimidated by the fairer sex! 

[johnofgwent]

When I was being fast tracked into management in my first job, you need to understand this was when computers filled garages, and programmers assistants typed out punched cards, we had PA's, Programmers, Senior Programmers, Consultants, and up the management line Team Leaders, Section Leaders, Group Leaders, Senior Group Leaders, Department Heads, Site Managers and then the Board ....

In the mid 1980s.....

I shared three programmers assistants with the other sections and groups, one of whom was a bloke who dressed like a scruffy punk but was the most agile mechanical guy I knew. He went all the way down the torpedo tube to sort out testing the outer door interlock. If you want to know what that's like, fire up iPlayer and watch "vigil". I can't watch it sober because I had to climb out of the tube to let him do what my nerves wouldn't let me.

I've mentioned Rose from the JPL a few times. She was one of three women who worked for me, in an industry sadly bereft of women.

I worked for a woman Senior Group Leader and one or two of her "rivals" hated it because let's not muck about my people knew what they were doing

I remember on day one when I met her when she joined the company I told her about my senior research head in my academic career, a woman who went on to get the chair as Professor of Biochemistry.

She asked me straight out how I felt working for a woman. I said I'll let her know when the main guns fail on the frigate and one of us has to climb the main mast to replace the radar interface... I went on to say the prof had a problem with a veritable harem of medical students who thought they were god's gift to men.... and frankly, were

She dealt with them by ringing my wife who at that time worked across the road and looked like Kate Beckinsale as she appeared in Van Helsing and asking her to join us for lunch ...

After which all three of us wandered into the lab where the prof introduced this group of troublemakers to me and openly told them she had picked me to be their lab supervisor and seminar tutor for the year for many reasons, mostly my research interests tied neatly with her's and theirs, but also because this is Moira who I married three months ago and looked forward to going home with every night .....

A crude and perhaps nasty way of laying down the law but guess what that was the last time they gave anyone in the department any trouble ever....

And strangely enough back at the defence job Wendy and I got on like a house on fire .... 

And when the moment came on Illustrious I climbed the mast while she stayed on the deck ... after i openly said "no way are you getting up that mast ladder in those heels ....." neatly letting her off the job she admitted earlier terrified her as she was scared of heights .... But I did notice shed changed out of the heels and into regulation fireproof kit when she had to help me with that radar interface ....

At one point I was promoted out of the group into another, and my section were to be transferred to this annoying Bible thumping piece of shit who felt a woman's place was chained to the kitchen sink and quoted the acts of the apostles and Paul's letter to was it the Galatians, or the Ephesians.

Rose told him if he thought they were putting up with that, he should look up Matthew 27 verse 5, and Sian said and when you have, stick Luke 10 verse 37 after it. And my entire group male and female resigned on the spot..... So they had to transfer someone less of a bloody prick to take over from me.....

Damn, I miss those days. 

[T00ts]

I'm not sure what the term putting someone on a pedestal actually means

Back in 2006 I wouldn't say the club where my employer held their christmas party was rough, but they had this moulin rouge theme and a stilt walker outside, one of the women from the bar across the road ran over and yelled "at last !! a blow job i don't need to kneel down for" .... I chose to get my arse inside, quickly, and left after one pint as all they had going free in the free bar was fizzy shite.

Am I "scared" of some women ? Well, when I was a much younger man I got sent down to the office where they productionised the "mylar" (a posh sort of plastic) punched tapes for the naval military computer boot ups and got greeted by a cey of "aha ! another virgin for the grinder" .....

I suppose the BIG thing is i've come from an industry where the cones in my retina are no bloody use compared to the rods in the female  and ditto the extra dexterity in the female biceps beats the brute strength in mine.

Having said that the Universityof the South West of England have a "ladies" rubgy team where I know from my daughter and her best mate from school who played in the squad there isn't a single "gender confused" person in the entire squad but if they all come up the pitch at the same time few men in the stands can withstand the urge to run for their lives while they still can....

   

[johnofgwent]

I was just listening to a radio discussion about Nick Fletcher MP's claim that there are too many male roles on TV changing to female. Dr Who being a case in point. This is leaving young men with a dearth of male role models so they are turning to crime.

This swiftly moved on to a bit of a battle between a male (don't know who) and a feminist. He says that men are afraid now to voice any criticism of women while men are portrayed in dramas etc as rather namby pamby idiots ruled largely by forceful women.

Ok - Have we gone too far?
Are you scared of women?
Is this even a true representation?

Men have been tempted to put women on pedestals in the past - have we fallen off?

I'm not sure what the term putting someone on a pedestal actually means

Back in 2006 I wouldn't say the club where my employer held their christmas party was rough, but they had this moulin rouge theme and a stilt walker outside, one of the women from the bar across the road ran over and yelled "at last !! a blow job i don't need to kneel down for" .... I chose to get my arse inside, quickly, and left after one pint as all they had going free in the free bar was fizzy shite.

Am I "scared" of some women ? Well, when I was a much younger man I got sent down to the office where they productionised the "mylar" (a posh sort of plastic) punched tapes for the naval military computer boot ups and got greeted by a cey of "aha ! another virgin for the grinder" .....

I suppose the BIG thing is i've come from an industry where the cones in my retina are no bloody use compared to the rods in the female  and ditto the extra dexterity in the female biceps beats the brute strength in mine.

Having said that the Universityof the South West of England have a "ladies" rubgy team where I know from my daughter and her best mate from school who played in the squad there isn't a single "gender confused" person in the entire squad but if they all come up the pitch at the same time few men in the stands can withstand the urge to run for their lives while they still can....

[T00ts]

Bloody rubbish,apparently this bloke said men have got more violent because Dr who is a woman.

I always thought Dr Who was an alien,tbh T00ts it all drives me a bit daft what's woke non bloody woke.

The only woke I know is I woke up with a headache because I drank too much.

Nicks fault 

LOL So I take it that as far as you are concerned we women are still on a pedestal. I'm so glad!   I might be biased but I hope men are still feeling like MEN regardless of us girls having a bit more say in things.

[cromwell]

I was just listening to a radio discussion about Nick Fletcher MP's claim that there are too many male roles on TV changing to female. Dr Who being a case in point. This is leaving young men with a dearth of male role models so they are turning to crime.

This swiftly moved on to a bit of a battle between a male (don't know who) and a feminist. He says that men are afraid now to voice any criticism of women while men are portrayed in dramas etc as rather namby pamby idiots ruled largely by forceful women.

Ok - Have we gone too far?
Are you scared of women?
Is this even a true representation?

Men have been tempted to put women on pedestals in the past - have we fallen off?

Bloody rubbish,apparently this bloke said men have got more violent because Dr who is a woman.

I always thought Dr Who was an alien,tbh T00ts it all drives me a bit daft what's woke non bloody woke.

The only woke I know is I woke up with a headache because I drank too much.

Nicks fault   

[T00ts]

I was just listening to a radio discussion about Nick Fletcher MP's claim that there are too many male roles on TV changing to female. Dr Who being a case in point. This is leaving young men with a dearth of male role models so they are turning to crime. 

This swiftly moved on to a bit of a battle between a male (don't know who) and a feminist. He says that men are afraid now to voice any criticism of women while men are portrayed in dramas etc as rather namby pamby idiots ruled largely by forceful women.

Ok - Have we gone too far?
Are you scared of women?
Is this even a true representation?

Men have been tempted to put women on pedestals in the past - have we fallen off?