Just in time

[Thomas]

Fair enough Ollie. It is still the season of good will so Gerry, carry on being a big Jessie

Can't say fairer than that

Och gerry is harmless borkie. He is just a good european , and a good kafflick. The only time you need to worry about him is if he puts his hand on yer shoulder with altar wine on his breath.

He wont ever call you a bad name , but sometimes gets a wee bit excitable with semtex.

[Borchester]

Oh stop being such a big Jessie.

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Fair enough Ollie. It is still the season of good will so Gerry, carry on being a big Jessie

Can't say fairer than that

[srb7677]

I don't think Thomas is a Leaver, or hates Remainers. He's just a Democrat who cannot stand how those whinging Remoaners treated the will of the people.

Understanding the other side's point of view is always a good thing even if you disagree with it. I started out that way over Brexit, being tempted to vote Brexit myself, for many of the reasons that others actually did so. My concerns about workers' rights narrowly shaded it for remain in the end which is how I voted. But I understood the Leavers - at first. Unfortunately, unduly influenced by Labour party people who in most other respects were not my political allies at all, being generally centrist, I lost the plot for a time and became very negative about Leavers, implying that they were all brainwashed idiots and gammons. You can always find a few examples on any side of any argument that will conform to a particular stereotype and I often cited such as evidence, as if they spoke for all.

I have more recently reconnected with my original more understanding position, and made the necessary apologies. Because the fact remains that however shite things might be because of Brexit - and it is not easy to determine where Brexit responsibility ends and covid responsibility begins - the reasons why many people chose to vote for it are obvious, and at their core was the fact that Labour had abandoned the working class and no one else had ever gave much of a damn about them in the first place. EU membership was being used to systematically undermine the working class with cheap foreign labour and the working classes didn't like it, and didnt like being called racists for complaining about it. There was a large element - which I myself was tempted by - of giving an out of touch establishment a damned good kicking. A massive desire to be heard.

This needs to be recognised and still isn't. There is little sign out there of working class concerns being addressed. For a time in the Corbyn era Labour at least tried to address the economic ones. But even that now is being retreated from. IF you are one of the still forgotten working classes, I would advise looking for and seizing the next opportunity to give the establishment a damned good kicking, because they clearly still don't get it.

[Borchester]

Thats a first with the amount of personal comments/abuse that get posted on here

Oh stop being such a big Jessie.

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[Nick]

Thats a first with the amount of personal comments/abuse that get posted on here

What are you talking about? I'm saying is it doesn't matter if he is a remainer or leaver, he voted remain which is what Good Old doesn't seem to get. 

[GerryT]

Not that you'd ever abuse the Brits/English eh Gerry. 

Agh, well that's fair game, I do try and not attack the poster but sometimes that does boil over. I'd like to say I point my arrow at the ruling classes, but as people vote them in they probably see the critique as about them and not just the ruling class.

[cromwell]

Thats a first with the amount of personal comments/abuse that get posted on here

Not that you'd ever abuse the Brits/English eh Gerry.   

[HallowedBrexit]

Thats a first with the amount of personal comments/abuse that get posted on here

I don't think Thomas is a Leaver, or hates Remainers. He's just a Democrat who cannot stand how those whinging Remoaners treated the will of the people.

[GerryT]

What he is isn't what's being discussed. He voted remain, and has never stated anything different. We all know you think every leaver wishes they'd voted remain but here's a concept, how about a remainer changing there mind.

Thats a first with the amount of personal comments/abuse that get posted on here

[Nick]

I don't believe it for a min, he's a leaver at heart and argues for that constantly.

What he is isn't what's being discussed. He voted remain, and has never stated anything different. We all know you think every leaver wishes they'd voted remain but here's a concept, how about a remainer changing there mind. 

[GerryT]

How many times does Thomas need to say he voted remain?

I don't believe it for a min, he's a leaver at heart and argues for that constantly.

[johnofgwent]

imagine telling folk there is gonnae be a turkey shortage at christmas because of brexit and its doesnt happen.

I think it important to state this particular piece of Bollox was invented by the Asian who bought out Bernard Matthews' Turkey business and found the need to pay decent wages utterly screwed his business model. 

I also admit I bought frozen this year within a week of the product appearing in shops in mid November but despite many others thinking the same, at no point in the ensuing weeks were the freezers empty in any of the eight "supermarkets" within six miles of this house, and there are plenty on the shelves still.

[Borchester]

How many times does Thomas need to say he voted remain?

Quite a lot actually. As his mum keeps reminding him, Gerry never pays attention

[Barry]

You don't speak for all the people, a divided country with nearly as many saying no as yes. And you think you leavers speak for all the people. 17m out of 66m, you don't speak for all the people of the UK.

How many times does Thomas need to say he voted remain?

[GerryT]

I doubt it. Johnson and farage are that daft they won a referendum , when you serious remoaners with your pie charts and economic doomongering couldnt.

You remainers just can't connect with people can you gerry?

Thats cause as i told you afore , you dont understand people and their thoughts wants and feelings. To you , its all spreadsheets and economics , and even then , you arent very good at it.

With lies they did, with lies.
Lies trump facts, didn't you know that.
I'm not a remainer
It wasn't a majority of the people, just a majority of those allowed to vote. Give brexit some time, it's only just begun.
You don't speak for all the people, a divided country with nearly as many saying no as yes. And you think you leavers speak for all the people. 17m out of 66m, you don't speak for all the people of the UK.