Freedom at last!

[Thomas]

I will never be a fan of Johnson Thomas, and I will not forget his partygate actions. But at this moment in time it is Truss who words are more at risk of escalating tensions for the West and BoJo is taking the European line of focusing on sanctions, so in that sense, I would rather keep the clown in power than risk Truss becoming the new Thatcher during these important times. I will also say that Johnson has at least one brain cell to understand that if we must get ourselves off Russian oil, then we need to find an alternative ASAP. There is no point complaining about "moving from one dictator to another" the Labour slogan right now because if the petrol pumps do run dry, nobody is going to give a shit about human rights in SA when they can't get to work. I don't know what will happen with the talks, but my instinct is we arent far from a deal and the end to this war. The West hasn't been part of this and all sanctions are doing is harming our own economy in the long run. So I would rather Johnson today just focus on the reality (and defacto the other European leaders), and start planning on what we need to do in order to recreate new economic partners and how we can be part of Ukraines rebuilding than do what the Yanks are doing which is still talking tough and providing Ukraine with false promises. I see Ukraine right now very much like the Kurds in that sense. Strung along on a proxy war and when the reality hits that they are a pawn in a geopolitical game, they are left with few options. NATO membership should have always been off the table to them. They were never getting membership dispite this war and they were getting strung along for years now. Now Zelensky realises that NATO isn'tan option for him, he is already part of a war. Had this been spelt out two months ago, he need not have been.

Im not a fan of johnson either , but politically speaking , he serves my politics admirably. You mention truss  , i dont think anyone outside the tory party can mention the womans name without bursting into laughter.

No one is interested in new new labours slogans and empty spin , because as we all remember the day tony blair and the likes of mandelson moved from dicatator to dictator.

Outside of yookay politics , you mention a lot in a short post so there is much to digest.

I dont think zelensky realises he wont be part of NATO , i think he has been quietly taken to the side and told. Neither will he be allwoed to join the EU. As i said on here before , as much as pearl clutching naive posters like srb didint like to hear , the ukrainians are merely cannon fodder in a proxy war between the yanks and russian , and anyone with half a fackin brain cell and reasonable knowledge of politics can see it.

Personally i feel sorry for the ordinary ukrainians , not oligarchs like zelensky or anyone else. The country , once it has served its purpose to "the west" will be left yet anothre burnt out shell of no further use as we have seen in many countries around the world.

Just amazes me  , despite how often we have continually seen these proxy wars fought out around the world , the same people fall for the same media spin time and again of god guy bad guy rhetoric time and again.

Cost of living/fuel crises? I think things are about to get very interesting for johnson and his cronies.

[B0ycey]

for what its worth boycey a couple of good posts , and i fully agree.

Isnt ukraine a welcome diversion for johnson?

I will never be a fan of Johnson Thomas, and I will not forget his partygate actions. But at this moment in time it is Truss's words that are more at risk of escalating tensions for the West and BoJo is taking the European line of focusing on sanctions, so in that sense, I would rather keep the clown in power than risk Truss becoming the new Thatcher during these important times. I will also say that Johnson has at least one brain cell to understand that if we must get ourselves off Russian oil, then we need to find an alternative ASAP. There is no point complaining about "moving from one dictator to another" the Labour slogan right now because if the petrol pumps do run dry, nobody is going to give a shit about human rights in SA when they can't get to work. I don't know what will happen with the talks, but my instinct is we arent far from a deal and the end to this war. The West hasn't been part of this and all sanctions are doing is harming our own economy in the long run. So I would rather Johnson today just focus on the reality (and defacto the other European leaders), and start planning on what we need to do in order to recreate new economic partners and how we can be part of Ukraines rebuilding than do what the Yanks are doing which is still talking tough and providing Ukraine with false promises. I see Ukraine right now very much like the Kurds in that sense. Strung along on a proxy war and when the reality hits that they are a pawn in a geopolitical game, they are left with few options. NATO membership should have always been off the table to them. They were never getting membership dispite this war and they were getting strung along for years now. Now Zelensky realises that NATO isn't an option for him, he is already part of a war. Had this been spelt out two months ago, he need not have been.

[Thomas]

Well Joe wanted them to pump more oil out for nothing. I suspect BoJos mission is more about investment and contracts. Plus Russia will be selling oil to everyone who wants it at a discount  so SA will be loving their new contracts at inflated prices.

When the West go to Iran for oil, you know there is a race for energy right now. The West need to replace Russian oil and Russia want to build new pipelines to Asia to they don't need our market. When that happens, they cut the gas to Europe and we really will then see a cost of living crisis.  I have always thought Russia hold all the cards when it comes to sanctions. The fact BoJo is touring the ME is basically confirming that thought.

for what its worth boycey a couple of good posts , and i fully agree.

Isnt ukraine a welcome diversion for johnson?

[B0ycey]

Well, Dead Joe asked the Arabs to step up oil production a while back and they told him to sod off. So if Boris can get them to change their minds then that will definitely be plus for the Fat Controller.

Well Joe wanted them to pump more oil out for nothing. I suspect BoJos mission is more about investment and contracts. Plus Russia will be selling oil to everyone who wants it at a discount  so SA will be loving their new contracts at inflated prices.

When the West go to Iran for oil, you know there is a race for energy right now. The West need to replace Russian oil and Russia want to build new pipelines to Asia to they don't need our market. When that happens, they cut the gas to Europe and we really will then see a cost of living crisis.  I have always thought Russia hold all the cards when it comes to sanctions. The fact BoJo is touring the ME is basically confirming that thought.

[Borchester]

Good news for her. But sometimes you have to look past everything to understand everything Barry. The 400 million quid will be paid back in a number of years so that won't be the carrot. Where Iran will benefit is the lifting of sanctions which must be imminent. The West need oil and partners. The notion this has nothing to do with the fact we are on a energy crisis and we somehow came to the table and saw the error of our ways by not paying Iran their money back today is simply not credible. Also, I noticed BoJo is on a wooing mission in SA days after they did a mass execution. He says he will discuss human rights. My bet is it is a footnote if anything at all. It seems human rights only matters depending on your alphabet and we can expect SA to be pumping more oil out the ground in the next few weeks after a BoJo begging.

Well, Dead Joe asked the Arabs to step up oil production a while back and they told him to sod off. So if Boris can get them to change their minds then that will definitely be plus for the Fat Controller.

[B0ycey]

I suspect that this will cost far more than 400 million quid we should have paid years ago, and far more than a couple of human lives.

Having said that, I bet her husband can't wait to meet her off the plane. Good for him.

Good news for her. But sometimes you have to look past everything to understand everything Barry. The 400 million quid will be paid back in a number of years so that won't be the carrot. Where Iran will benefit is the lifting of sanctions which must be imminent. The West need oil and partners. The notion this has nothing to do with the fact we are on a energy crisis and we somehow came to the table and saw the error of our ways by not paying Iran their money back today is simply not credible. Also, I noticed BoJo is on a wooing mission in SA days after they did a mass execution. He says he will discuss human rights. My bet is it is a footnote if anything at all. It seems human rights only matters depending on your alphabet and we can expect SA to be pumping more oil out the ground in the next few weeks after a BoJo begging.

[Barry]

So, a lot of years wasted, the Iranians get their own money back and everyone else gets a nuclear deal. Which they already had once. Plus, somebody gets to go home with their family. Like Borchester says.

I suspect that this will cost far more than 400 million quid we should have paid years ago, and far more than a couple of human lives. 

Having said that, I bet her husband can't wait to meet her off the plane. Good for him. 

[Borchester]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is reported to be at the airport ready to come home. There are two other dual nationals apparently supposed to be included but I haven't seen a report of them yet. She is still under guard but hopefully that will cease once aboard the flight.

A debt due has been agreed - I guess our taxes won't be dropped yet then.

Maybe not our taxes Toots, but wasn't Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe working for Reuters who must now owe here six years back pay, so that will be a small plus

[Sheepy]

So, a lot of years wasted, the Iranians get their own money back and everyone else gets a nuclear deal. Which they already had once. Plus, somebody gets to go home with their family. Like Borchester says.

[cromwell]

Good news....at last 

[Borchester]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is reported to be at the airport ready to come home. There are two other dual nationals apparently supposed to be included but I haven't seen a report of them yet. She is still under guard but hopefully that will cease once aboard the flight.

A debt due has been agreed - I guess our taxes won't be dropped yet then.

Huzzah.

Good news for her and her family. Let us hope she take a well deserved rest and forgets all this Tatiana Romanova lark.

[T00ts]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is reported to be at the airport ready to come home. There are two other dual nationals apparently supposed to be included but I haven't seen a report of them yet. She is still under guard but hopefully that will cease once aboard the flight.

A debt due has been agreed - I guess our taxes won't be dropped yet then.