Loyal to the flag.

[Thomas]

There is no Scottish Army, no Welsh Army, no English Army, No Ulster Army, only a British Army and the flag referred to would have to be the British Flag.

...and the british army operates largely as part of NATO. 70 000 british soldiers wouldnt stand against the might of the kremlin on their own , and i raised this back up the thread.

The butchers apron isnt the flag of NATO . Deppity also pointed out that scots welsh and irish have our own countires flags and emblems already.

Any mention of these other armies is a figment of someone's imagination, either that, or there's a bit of mischief going on.

The figment of imagination is the romance about conscription  , or the fantasy the uk is a military power that could fight on its own with the worlds superpowers like russia.

I would always support my country against a foreign enemy in a just war.

so would i  , i just wouldnt support yours.

Whether that would include going to the Ukraine's assistance and dying for them, no, I don't think so.

fully agree.

We hear the foreign mercenaries are being used as cannon fodder in ukraine by the ukrainian military , and are having passports taken off them and dropped in the shit.

Hardly  a jaunt in the park singing its a long way to tipperary is it?

[Barry]

There is no Scottish Army, no Welsh Army, no English Army, No Ulster Army, only a British Army and the flag referred to would have to be the British Flag.


Any mention of these other armies is a figment of someone's imagination, either that, or there's a bit of mischief going on.

I would always support my country against a foreign enemy in a just war. Whether that would include going to the Ukraine's assistance and dying for them, no, I don't think so.

[Thomas]

What a really stupid comment just to point score. I flatly refuse to be a victim of yours or anyone's. You drive every argument to brow beat anyone who disagrees and invariably turn it to a scottish issue. You will not intimidate me like you do others.

Im not trying to intimidate you or anyone else. I gave you an in depth reply further back in the thread regarding my view on your implciations in this thread , you even liked it , and now we are off onto another tangent this time playing the victim.

YOU mentioned independence issues in the op.

Would we turn to the national flag, settle the differences on independence squabbles and unite in the face of a common enemy?

you brought up scottish indy , as i patiently explained earlier , with the clear implication would a "common enemy" stop the indy issue , and i gave you a polite reply and explained my point of view as one of the few non english on this forum.

Sorry you dont like my replys toots .

[Thomas]

I think you over estimate the problem Tommy.

One thing a Scot likes to do is go off and fight in England's wars.

...but thats what im explaining to you borkie. Its 2022 , not 1822 , and england doesnt have wars anymore , only participate in american wars.

We will probably hire Wee Krankie to do the dirty work. She already seems to be turning that way.

Its good that you and the anglo media keep taking the piss . Along with our critique of her , you can clearly see the pressure is getting to her and she is faltering in recent weeks.

If she hasnt set in motion and held an indy ref during her term then she is literally political toast.


Meanwhile , in other news , has bojo begged permission yet for northern ireland to brexit? Poor auld bojo , about the only thing keeping him hanging in there is krankie and starmer , and being sleepy joes lapdog.

Could the cost of living increase finally push him over the edge and his luck ran out?

[T00ts]

Well i thought you were above the playing the victim card toots , but obviously not. You asked a clear question with a clear implication , and i answered. We have been over all this.

To deny what you were implying and then play the victim really does look silly.

What a really stupid comment just to point score. I flatly refuse to be a victim of yours or anyone's. You drive every argument to brow beat anyone who disagrees and invariably turn it to a scottish issue. You will not intimidate me like you do others.

[Borchester]

I know i mind when the french used to regualrly give you a kicking , until we stopped helping them and started helping you.

You touch upon an important point though borkie ,one i raised with you before when you complained how did england afford armies to build an empire yet can't afford them now? I patiently explained  , back in the day , England used to not only get the colonials to supply the millions of manpower for cannon fodder , but the colonial governments had to fund them as well.

Now the indians have buggered off after supplying millions for your armies while getting pilfered of 40 trillion by london over 200 years , and the empire is reduced to us jocks , the taffs and six counties of the paddies , and a few wee bits and bobs here and there , theres not much manpower of money left to do the heavy lifting.

The english army is literally reduced down to being a regiment in sleepy joes forces. So the questions isnt who can england get to do their fighting ,but how many english can the yanks get to do theirs?

I think you over estimate the problem Tommy.

One thing a Scot likes to do is go off and fight in England's wars. And when he comes home and finds that his home has been turned into a sheep run and his family thrown out onto the streets, there is always another Scot ready to keep him in line.

We will probably hire Wee Krankie to do the dirty work. She already seems to be turning that way.

[Thomas]

Only because I find your type of debate/haranguing beneath me. It was a quite innocent question without much thought at the response it might engender from such as you so please don't expect any further response. My thought was if the younger generation might feel it necessary to pull together but you have turned it into a chance to insult the English in all ways. I won't give you any further opportunity to do that.

Well i thought you were above the playing the victim card toots , but obviously not. You asked a clear question with a clear implication , and i answered. We have been over all this.

To deny what you were implying and then play the victim really does look silly.

[Thomas]

I suppose the real point is, can we still get the Scots, Welsh and Irish to do our fighting for us? They have always done so before and I can't see why they should stop now.

I know i mind when the french used to regualrly give you a kicking , until we stopped helping them and started helping you.

You touch upon an important point though borkie ,one i raised with you before when you complained how did england afford armies to build an empire yet can't afford them now? I patiently explained  , back in the day , England used to not only get the colonials to supply the millions of manpower for cannon fodder , but the colonial governments had to fund them as well.

Now the indians have buggered off after supplying millions for your armies while getting pilfered of 40 trillion by london over 200 years , and the empire is reduced to us jocks , the taffs and six counties of the paddies , and a few wee bits and bobs here and there , theres not much manpower or money left to do the heavy lifting.

The english army is literally reduced down to being a regiment in sleepy joes forces. So the questions isnt who can england get to do their fighting ,but how many english can the yanks get to do theirs?

[T00ts]

yes yes quackers , but you sort of miss the point.

The misappropriation of flegs is quite common. Your countrymen do it all the time , for example england football fans have in the past waved butchers aprons even when playing against scotland.

Wether its the eu fleg or council of europe fleg , the point still stands.

Toots asked a question implying would us jocks put aside our petty nationality and indy desire to fight under english rule and english "misappropriated fleg" against some mythical "common enemy" , and i simply returned the question would the english give up their petty nationalism and do the same with europeans , wether the eu , council of europe or whatever , and of course , i was met with the expected silence.

The point is , the english arent team players .If they can't run the team  , they dont want to be in it.

Only because I find your type of debate/haranguing beneath me. It was a quite innocent question without much thought at the response it might engender from such as you so please don't expect any further response. My thought was if the younger generation might feel it necessary to pull together but you have turned it into a chance to insult the English in all ways. I won't give you any further opportunity to do that.

[Borchester]

yes yes quackers , but you sort of miss the point.

The misappropriation of flegs is quite common. Your countrymen do it all the time , for example england football fans have in the past waved butchers aprons even when playing against scotland.

Wether its the eu fleg or council of europe fleg , the point still stands.

Toots asked a question implying would us jocks put aside our petty nationality and indy desire to fight under english rule and english "misappropriated fleg" against some mythical "common enemy" , and i simply returned the question would the english give up their petty nationalism and do the same with europeans , wether the eu , council of europe or whatever , and of course , i was met with the expected silence.

The point is , the english arent team players .If they can't run the team  , they dont want to be in it.

I suppose the real point is, can we still get the Scots, Welsh and Irish to do our fighting for us? They have always done so before and I can't see why they should stop now.

[Thomas]

Although the EU uses this flag, it's actually the flag adopted by the Council of Europe in 1955. The UK is still a member of the Council Of Europe and indeed the flag is intended to apply to the whole of Europe. The EU uses the flag but it's not exclusively their flag.

yes yes quackers , but you sort of miss the point.

The misappropriation of flegs is quite common. Your countrymen do it all the time , for example england football fans have in the past waved butchers aprons even when playing against scotland.

Wether its the eu fleg or council of europe fleg , the point still stands.

Toots asked a question implying would us jocks put aside our petty nationality and indy desire to fight under english rule and english "misappropriated fleg" against some mythical "common enemy" , and i simply returned the question would the english give up their petty nationalism and do the same with europeans , wether the eu , council of europe or whatever , and of course , i was met with the expected silence.

The point is , the english arent team players .If they cant run the team  , they dont want to be in it.

[HDQQ]

Let me return the question to you toots. Would yout fellow countrymen cast aside their petty loyalties to england/brexit and fight under a european army against a common enemy under "the flag"?

Although the EU uses this flag, it's actually the flag adopted by the Council of Europe in 1955. The UK is still a member of the Council Of Europe and indeed the flag is intended to apply to the whole of Europe. The EU uses the flag but it's not exclusively their flag. 

[johnofgwent]

I have been impressed by little in the Russian v Ukraine battle, except in the conscription of all the Ukrainian men and their bravery in answering the call. It has made me wonder what it would be like if Russia or any other nation (even little Macron) suddenly turned their missiles and guns on us, and just what we would do.

Would we turn to the national flag, settle the differences on independence squabbles and unite in the face of a common enemy? Would the cry go up 'your nation needs you' with a universal response to protect our shores or are we now too soft and spineless after so long free from war here?

Well it's hardly "bravery in answering the call" if they are being conscripted and the alternative to going to the front to die from a rucssian bullet is to die right now from a Ukranian one.

I think streetwalker had it right at the start of the thread. A significant number of the voters propping up the Welsh assembly would indeed be fighting on the beaches for dinghies to use to paddle to Ireland.

I'd be quite interested to watch my inventions of 40 years s ago put to work.

[Thomas]

So predictable. I pointed to a common enemy so assumed your country would also feel threatened but you turn it into fighting for England which wasn't in the mix, just as Wales and Ireland might feel the same. But not to worry.

No sorry toots , but thats a cop out.

You started a thread entitled "loyal to the flag". You didnt entitle the thread "loyal to Your countires flags". Clearly the implication was would the jocks taffs and paddies be loyal to Greater englands flag in the face of some imaginary common enemy ( you talked about independence squabbles put to the side).

Further , Englands government , capital city , and a large portion of its popualtion are closer to paris  than they are to glasgow or edinburgh. So for a common enemy to threaten them , say Russia , then this common enemy would be threatening France and western europe as well . Yet no obvious mention of France or any other nation  being loyal to your flag or threatened by a common enemy.

Clearly , it was a thread designed to see if an imaginary russian threat would provide "unity" as you put it in some inmaginary rule brittannia pukefest. I replied no , it wouldnt , and gave in depth historical comparisons.

As i said toots , its a clear illness many in your country has , being stuck somewhere between 1840 and 1940 , almost like the billy no mates of western europe. One can only hope the younger english generations finally drag england into the 21st century , in friendship and loyalty with the rest of us europeans , instead of fantasises of agincourt and empire.

Its going to be funny watching the bbc try and fail to show non existant street parties for your queens jubilee across scotland and parts of northern ireland and wales this year.

I see already there is a storm brewing regarding the wee brit nat book that was supposed to be sent to scottish and welsh schoolchildren with the devolved governments refusing to send them to schools unless they explicitly ask.

[T00ts]

So predictable. I pointed to a common enemy so assumed your country would also feel threatened but you turn it into fighting for England which wasn't in the mix, just as Wales and Ireland might feel the same. But not to worry.