Is it time up for Boris?

[johnofgwent]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61362474

Dunno about Boris, but it seems the former shadow home secretary is of the opinion a criminal has no place leading the labour party.

Or maybe her opinion has more to do with him being a Zionist

Or a white man.

[patman post]

I also think your math could do with a little honing. May lost 13 seats which she blamed on "poor advice from her advisors" but came out of the election with 330 seats which meant a reduced, but still operational majority over the left wingers. Her problem was the remoaners within her own ranks, and Clegg's poisonous Fixed Term Parliaments Bill they still have not killed off

I think your memory maybe being honed by wishful thinking.

The 2017 General Election resulted in a hung Parliament, with no party winning an overall majority. The Conservative Party won the largest number of seats and votes, taking 317 seats and 42.3% of the vote, up from 36.8% in 2015. The Labour Party won 262 seats, and 40.0% of the vote, up from 232 seats and 30.4% of the vote in 2015. The Liberal Democrats won 12 seats, a net gain of 4 seats, and 7.4% of the vote.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7979/

May had to enter into a Confidence and Supply Agreement with the DUP in order to operate...

[B0ycey]

Um

I don't agree it was the worst manifesto in living memory, because I was alive and a voter when Michael Foot published "The Longest Suicide Note In History" although I admit Corbyn's Manifesto was indeed the same bull, just husbanded by a different farmer.

Interestingly of course the 1983 LABOUR Manifesto pledged to pull us out of the EEC and maybe we should have voted for him to do that. It would certainly have screwed Blair's use of the EEC to screw us.

I also think your math could do with a little honing. May lost 13 seats which she blamed on "poor advice from her advisors" but came out of the election with 330 seats which meant a reduced, but still operational majority over the left wingers. Her problem was the remoaners within her own ranks, and Clegg's poisonous Fixed Term Parliaments Bill they still have not killed off

May called the election with an epiphany on a walk in Wales when polling said she should expect a strong lead and as such end the Brexit deadlock. She knew Brexit had a cost to it and as such published a manifesto of taxing home owners, pensioners and working class people assuming that she could take the electorate for granted. And that is the problem with the Tories, they can never see the shit in the mist. Most people don't vote down partylines. They vote on the integrity and policy of the party. May didn't nearly lose to Corbyn because the UK are secret Socialists looking for handouts. She nearly lost because Corbyn offered a manifesto of hope and the Tories offered to tax your home when you die. Today, Tories have a new problem. Nobody trusts Johnson with anything. The guy is a clown. And a lot of people will not back him with their vote. Fortunately for the Tories, their vote seems not to be going to Labour but the Lib Dems or the Greens or they don't vote at all. But even so, the next election might not mean a Labour majority but a coalition and a coalition with the Tories on opposition unless Johnson is replaced soon.

[johnofgwent]

Remember May nearly lost to Corbyn with the worse manifesto in living memory and had to form a coalition.

Um

I don't agree it was the worst manifesto in living memory, because I was alive and a voter when Michael Foot published "The Longest Suicide Note In History" although I admit Corbyn's Manifesto was indeed the same bull, just husbanded by a different farmer.

Interestingly of course the 1983 LABOUR Manifesto pledged to pull us out of the EEC and maybe we should have voted for him to do that. It would certainly have screwed Blair's use of the EEC to screw us.

I also think your math could do with a little honing. May lost 13 seats which she blamed on "poor advice from her advisors" but came out of the election with 330 seats which meant a reduced, but still operational majority over the left wingers. Her problem was the remoaners within her own ranks, and Clegg's poisonous Fixed Term Parliaments Bill they still have not killed off

[B0ycey]

I don't agree at all. It is notoriously a time when the sitting government gets hammered. It means very little in terms of a GE - whenever that may be. Starmer is a loser and Labour knows it so they are clutching at straws.

Local elections are merely straw polls for a GE T00ts. They by and large follow the same lines. If the government is getting hammered, it is because they have done something wrong. And we haven't even hit the cost of living crisis yet. So if you think Johnson can overturn a bad night in the polls with his clown act when the shit hasn't even hit the fan, you are going to be disappointed when it does.

Also, Starmer might not get any love on here, but if you look at his polling he is more popular and more trusted than Johnson. Those two things alone matter in a GE. They certainly will matter when it comes to money in your pocket. And I noticed Shell had record profits last year. Which then means people will call for a windfall tax to tackle the cost of living crisis. It is Starmer not Johnson calling for that right now and I don't see that changing in the next couple of years. Do you think people are going to vote Tories when they won't even enact simple measure most people support like a windfall tax? Remember May nearly lost to Corbyn with the worse manifesto in living memory and had to form a coalition. What do you think is going to happen when the leader is quite popular in a relative sense with popular policies?

[T00ts]

Well I agree, the hope is that someone with half a brain sticks their name in the hat. The problem is I have no clue who that can be. I would have been satisfied with Sunak but given he is branded with the same brush as Johnson now I can't see that working today. But even so, if Johnson has a bad night... or even worse a bad night with a low turnout, it is just confirmation he has lost his good fortune and the Tories would need to change now if they want any hope in the next election. And for me that is a good thing because there isn't exactly much worse than Johnson as PM anyway so might as well see what comes after whatever given it can't exactly be worse.

I don't agree at all. It is notoriously a time when the sitting government gets hammered. It means very little in terms of a GE - whenever that may be. Starmer is a loser and Labour knows it so they are clutching at straws. 

[B0ycey]

^^^

Can't disagree except to add that if someone is chosen to replace Johnson I'd hope they'd be more able and more honest. Now's not the time for a dull unimaginative time-server

Well I agree, the hope is that someone with half a brain sticks their name in the hat. The problem is I have no clue who that can be. I would have been satisfied with Sunak but given he is branded with the same brush as Johnson now I can't see that working today. But even so, if Johnson has a bad night... or even worse a bad night with a low turnout, it is just confirmation he has lost his good fortune and the Tories would need to change now if they want any hope in the next election. And for me that is a good thing because there isn't exactly much worse than Johnson as PM anyway so might as well see what comes after whatever given it can't exactly be worse.

[patman post]

^^^

Can't disagree except to add that if someone is chosen to replace Johnson I'd hope they'd be more able and more honest. Now's not the time for a dull unimaginative time-server 

[B0ycey]

So the day has come to give BoJo "a bloody nose" for a better term over his partygate scandals. Things seem to have been deflated somewhat since his fine but I don't think people have forgot. We will either have a very low turnout or people holding their nose for Starmer. Either way I would like to hope Johnson will resign so someone else can replace him before the next election. 

[patman post]

Boris is a constantly lucky survivor. There will have to be an enormous upset — or fear of losing power among Tory MPs — to blot out what his supporters see as his achievements and qualities. I wouldn't bet a substantial sum either way on his parliamentary future.

Britain seems to do best when the government is either a bit Left of centre or a bit Right of centre. Even Maggie wasn't hard Right, and Boris — though difficult to pigeon-hole — isn't on the Rightist extremes of the Tory Party. On many topics he seems more towards the centre.

Brexit has dulled the easy sharp distinctions in British politics. Because there were/are notable Leavers and Remainers among both Conservative and Labour politicians and supporters — both hard Right and extreme Left remain anti EU. So I reckon that when the UK/EU break is finally settled, it will actually be a typical British fudge — like The Lords' reform and devolution — hailed as both a victory and a catastrophe, depending on the occasion...

[Borchester]

Starmer won't reverse Brexit Barry, it is still a divisive subject. Time might though. The EU has galavnaised its purpose since the Ukraine conflict and the question is when not if the UK want to be part of that.

I don't want to take the risk.

The left is full of anti British shits who would betray Britain to the EU in a heartbeaten. So, loathsome as fatty is, I will stay with him rather than some fashionable Islington sewage whose first loyalty is to anywhere that isn't the UK

[Nick]

Starmer won't reverse Brexit Barry, it is still a divisive subject. Time might though. The EU has galavnaised its purpose since the Ukraine conflict and the question is when not if the UK want to be part of that.

He won't get chance as he'll never be PM. 

[patman post]

The Tories are ruthless when it comes to dumping a loser. Starmer is looking stronger and, though, not popular with the public, he is mainly regarded as a decent — though uncharismatic — man. 

But more public disquiet over Boris antics, and a bad May local elections, government could be Starmer's for the taking in a couple of years...

[Streetwalker]

Tough immigration policies are likely to find voter approval — promises of this swung the Brexit vote.

Do the overwhelming bulk of the UK electorate really care about Northern Ireland?

It was a running sore over decades and cost many lives. The main reason it arises in conversation these days is as a side issue to the pros and cons in Brexit debates.

If NI sank without trace, I bet the majority on the mainland (and a few in the Republic) would breathe a sigh of relief...

Though I agree most probably dont give a monkey's about Ireland north or otherwise thats not the point . Its that the UK as it stands is divided by a border because the EU wont have a milk float and a pound of bangers stopped when crossing the invisible border in Ireland . 
The funny thing is though the Irish customs stop lorries ,trucks ,vans  going into Ireland all the time to check fuel compliance  and road tax . It wouldnt be any trouble at all to have a quick gander at whats on board .

[patman post]

They wont need a lot of convincing , the border down the Irish sea for one and the cases coming up with regard the deportation of illegal immigrants that will be judged in line with the ECHR for another .

Tough immigration policies are likely to find voter approval — promises of this swung the Brexit vote.

Do the overwhelming bulk of the UK electorate really care about Northern Ireland?

It was a running sore over decades and cost many lives. The main reason it arises in conversation these days is as a side issue to the pros and cons in Brexit debates.

If NI sank without trace, I bet the majority on the mainland (and a few in the Republic) would breathe a sigh of relief...