Braverman’s out

[patman post]

Maybe you have all been jabbed up and genetically modified. Who knows how it ends.

I'd bet very few of us are living with the mind altering effects of substance abuse.

So it's mostly the gullible who'll believe either that Johnson or Truss and their cohorts are the only way to win against the rest of the world, or this is the end...

[patman post]

Yes. Do you believe them ??

Until their actions and/or statements following their resignations prove otherwise, I've nothing else firm to go on...

[Sheepy]

Putin started the Ukraine war and there's been a covid pandemic and those two things have had a big impact on Britain but the chaotic and crumbling government, albeit with a big majority, is a result of Brexit. It's the continuation of the downward trend since the referendum campaign and who knows where it'll end.

Maybe you have all been jabbed up and genetically modified. Who knows how it ends.

[johnofgwent]

The reasons given by both are entirely different...

Yes. Do you believe them ??

[HDQQ]

Putin started the Ukraine war and there's been a covid pandemic and those two things have had a big impact on Britain but the chaotic and crumbling government, albeit with a big majority, is a result of Brexit. It's the continuation of the downward trend since the referendum campaign and who knows where it'll end. 

[srb7677]

I kind of agree, but what's interesting to me is why did the opinion poll support for the Conservatives collapse so spectacularly just after the mini-budget.  After all, the markets reacted badly after other things like Brexit or the pandemic, but Tory support did not collapse.  What was it about the mini-budget which suddenly made a good chunk of UK swing voters suddenly see that the emperor had no clothes when they had been steadfastly refusing to see if for quite a few years previous.

This puzzles me a bit but I'm not complaining.  The Conservative party pre-2015 was at least vaguely respectable even if I didn't agree with a lot of their policies or vote for them most times.  However now they have been taken over by a bunch of total nut jobs, and incompetent nut jobs at that.

It was so blatantly targeting resources at the rich whilst the rest of us are struggling. And they tried to call it fair. At the same time, the market reaction almost immediately began impacting people in real life with interest rate rises, affecting those wanting to buy and indirectly those who rent. And the media rammed home the way this budget mostly benefitted the wealthy by doing their job and supplying accurate statistics and breakdowns. 

In other words, rather than merely favouring the rich by stealth the Tories decided to do so blatantly and brazenly, calling this fair. It went down about as well as the equally unfair poll tax had. And people being impacted negatively in their real lives also had the effect of opening eyes. People were prepared to buy into a cuddly if false image of the Tory party. They were never willing to buy into Thatcher resurrected.

[Javert]

Outside of years of over cooked austerity, the Tory party has been in turmoil ever since Nigel, and UKIP forced their hand on Brexit. Brexit was never what the majority of the parliamentary party pre 2016 wanted. It was embraced to fend Nigel off.
Once the referendum asked for brexit they were left to sort out the obvious devisions within the party . It was this that brought Boris to the forefront with his group of believers in tow , up to then a minority, and the disappearance of a whole raft of traditional Tories,. The party was made to seem to be a Brexit party, not a traditional Tory party.
The problem now is that Brexit doesn't work well enough to keep them in a job,.
And the bloods all over the place, A bit like the last years of the Roman Caesar's , one falls after another.

I kind of agree, but what's interesting to me is why did the opinion poll support for the Conservatives collapse so spectacularly just after the mini-budget.  After all, the markets reacted badly after other things like Brexit or the pandemic, but Tory support did not collapse.  What was it about the mini-budget which suddenly made a good chunk of UK swing voters suddenly see that the emperor had no clothes when they had been steadfastly refusing to see if for quite a few years previous.

This puzzles me a bit but I'm not complaining.  The Conservative party pre-2015 was at least vaguely respectable even if I didn't agree with a lot of their policies or vote for them most times.  However now they have been taken over by a bunch of total nut jobs, and incompetent nut jobs at that.

[Sheepy]

We will see . It is a coup, And Hunts, no dyed in the wool Brexit man. Truss, says she is , yet is dead in the water, as far as influence goes now. Hunt will not be crowned , and Truss will remain tied and probably gagged , except to relay Hunts thoughts.  Braverman a brexiteer has walked because she is a victim of the coup.
So which way is this going?

Running for the hills won't help them, you cannot hide from a do or die mission.

[Good old]

Another one kidding himself!

We will see . It is a coup, And Hunts, no dyed in the wool Brexit man. Truss, says she is , yet is dead in the water, as far as influence goes now. Hunt will not be crowned , and Truss will remain tied and probably gagged , except to relay Hunts thoughts.  Braverman a brexiteer has walked because she is a victim of the coup.
So which way is this going?

[T00ts]

I reckon the 1922 bunch will have rewritten the rules ready to swap out Liz for Rishi to complete the coup. Don't forget Penny Mordaunt and Tom Tugendhat, the other losers.

I'm sure that's what Rishi wants and I believe he is ruthless and there is nothing quite so dangerous as a thwarted ambition particularly when they have schemed for so long - they will rue the day. I still maintain that this man is not as he seems.

Wouldn't disagree. The agenda is a belated attempt to return the party to something resembling what it was prior to 2019. That doesn't mean it will not  still mouth Brexit. But true brexiteers will become thin on the ground from here on.

Another one kidding himself!

[Good old]

So they have wheeled out all the losers from the leadership race except Kemi Badenoch.

This is a coup, isn't it? I wonder what the real agenda is, Sheepy will know. Is it the NWO, the WEF or the IMF or any other three letter acronym - answer - all three, I think.

Wouldn't disagree. The agenda is a belated attempt to return the party to something resembling what it was prior to 2019. That doesn't mean it will not  still mouth Brexit. But true brexiteers will become thin on the ground from here on.

[Barry]

I reckon the 1922 bunch will have rewritten the rules ready to swap out Liz for Rishi to complete the coup. Don't forget Penny Mordaunt and Tom Tugendhat, the other losers.

[T00ts]

The reasons given by both are entirely different...

Well it would be stupid to do a complete copy wouldn't it? Think about it they are struggling to oust Truss for exactly the same reason that they could give Boris the boot. Truss should be safe for a year according to party rules, Boris was also 'safe' after defeating the no confidence vote. Does it not seem possible that failing all other plots thus far they are resorting to a similar ploy? It will be interesting to see if it is catching and others follow.

[Barry]

If that's what you want to think I wouldn't want to be a woman in Westminster.

So they have wheeled out all the losers from the leadership race except Kemi Badenoch.

This is a coup, isn't it? I wonder what the real agenda is, Sheepy will know. Is it the NWO, the WEF or the IMF or any other three letter acronym - answer - all three, I think.

[patman post]

I think it's quite interesting.

Step back and take a look at this

She sends a document to a colleague in an insecure way that breaks the ministerial code and having done so, publicly fesses up to an error and walks. I think it's fair to say ever since Michael "something of the night" Howard copyrighted the phrase "I have done nothing wrong" no politician has EVER admitted responsibility and walked.

It's as if she saw two laptops on her desk, realised one came with a fully functional ejector seat and powered it up.

Surely there must be comparisons to about four months ago when Sunak 'did a Sunak' and did for Boris.

The reasons given by both are entirely different...