Boris out — perhaps there is a higher being after all

[Sheepy]

Of what ?

I had to look them up, they're not quite the party I voted for since they finished the job they started. Are they still a political organisation limited by guarantee as set up by Nigel to ensure donors had no way to pick candidates ?

They are obviously being a Tory light party and have changed a few things from under Farage, but then as you might remember not splitting the populist vote brings results. They are fancying themselves as the next step nowhere near enough populist for my liking but a natural home for the Conservatives without one for now. 

[T00ts]

Well Toots I don't for a moment dispute the democratic factor involved . I don't dispute the EU had faults.
I dispute the idea that the motives of the politicians you vote for here were ever in line in every respect with those that chose to leave the EU.
You throw democracy up again. The not complete comparison I made, involved Cromwells constant supposed support of GOD. As I point out that didn't help many of those that fought under  that banner, when their own interests were put forward.
Let's hope the Brexit idea lasts longer than the Commonwealth did. I do hope it does, but it will never be what everyone wanted it to be, how could it?

I get your point but then the EU wasn't what everyone wanted either. It evolved from what we thought was a good idea the EEC into a political project which wasn't acceptable for many reasons to the majority (sorry to rub it in again). Our separation from it will also evolve and as we do we will become stronger. We have been hit by unfortunate experiences since so perhaps we should all just be giving the guys brave enough to be in charge a chance. I wish it wasn't with Dishi but at least it isn't with Labour.  

[Good old]

Oh Good old and I was beginning to think you were an ok chap! Have you forgotten that the Brexit decision was a majority decision with the largest turnout for years? At some point remainers are going to have to make the effort to swing behind the National effort to succeed, not keep whimpering in a corner that everyone but them was wrong. We have had decades of sitting back while we waited for the EU to set our fate. We have politicians who have grown up with that mindset. They are like the wild animal that has been kept too long in a cage and faced with the big outside world isn't sure what to do.
The remain lobby could be so much more useful and influential if they would utilise their skills more positively.

Well Toots I don't for a moment dispute the democratic factor involved . I don't dispute the EU had faults.
I dispute the idea that the motives of the politicians you vote for here were ever in line in every respect with those that chose to leave the EU.
You throw democracy up again. The not complete comparison I made, involved Cromwells constant supposed support of GOD. As I point out that didn't help many of those that fought under  that banner, when their own interests were put forward.
Let's hope the Brexit idea lasts longer than the Commonwealth did. I do hope it does, but it will never be what everyone wanted it to be, how could it?

[T00ts]

The great problem with the Brexit choice . Out of fat into fire and all that. It could be you have a problem something similar to the one the Levellers, and Diggers ,had with Cromwell. (Not our Cromwell that is.)  you did your bit to get rid of the EU and now you know it wasn't for you ,it was for them.Them being the Conservative Brexit faction.

Oh Good old and I was beginning to think you were an ok chap! Have you forgotten that the Brexit decision was a majority decision with the largest turnout for years? At some point remainers are going to have to make the effort to swing behind the National effort to succeed, not keep whimpering in a corner that everyone but them was wrong. We have had decades of sitting back while we waited for the EU to set our fate. We have politicians who have grown up with that mindset. They are like the wild animal that has been kept too long in a cage and faced with the big outside world isn't sure what to do.
The remain lobby could be so much more useful and influential if they would utilise their skills more positively. 

[Good old]

. May as well have let the EU govern us , they are that bad .

The great problem with the Brexit choice . Out of fat into fire and all that. It could be you have a problem something similar to the one the Levellers, and Diggers ,had with Cromwell. (Not our Cromwell that is.)  you did your bit to get rid of the EU and now you know it wasn't for you ,it was for them.Them being the Conservative Brexit faction.

[johnofgwent]

I wouldn't be counting their chickens just yet, reform UK is seeing a rather large influx.

Of what ? 

I had to look them up, they're not quite the party I voted for since they finished the job they started. Are they still a political organisation limited by guarantee as set up by Nigel to ensure donors had no way to pick candidates ?

[Sheepy]

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Apparently the latest polling by this lot show Labour and Lib Dem voters wanting Sunak for PM in the same sort of numbers that polled Tories wanted Corbyn for Labour leader, and for the same reason, extermination of the enemy at the polls.

Because THEIR latest polling shows a GE with Sunak as Tory PM will see 500 Labour and 48 Tory seats in the HoC

I hope they're right. It has reached the point where the shitheads need to be taught a few life lessons

I wouldn't be counting their chickens just yet, reform UK is seeing a rather large influx.

[johnofgwent]

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Apparently the latest polling by this lot show Labour and Lib Dem voters wanting Sunak for PM in the same sort of numbers that polled Tories wanted Corbyn for Labour leader, and for the same reason, extermination of the enemy at the polls.

Because THEIR latest polling shows a GE with Sunak as Tory PM will see 500 Labour and 48 Tory seats in the HoC

I hope they're right. It has reached the point where the shitheads need to be taught a few life lessons 

[Streetwalker]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/top-tories-admit-general-election-is-unavoidable-as-nadine-dorries-laments-boris-retreat/ar-AA13ijn2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=47968f5665f944c28e1f95f4bb27e54d
Your party is heading fast the way of the Lib Dems, only Labour left now to deal with, if people hold their nerve after the last 6 years you can say goodbye to the Westminster party.

Draining the swamp was a long term goal sheep ,  I didn't think it would come about this quick though  

[Sheepy]

The Labour party currently has a 33% lead over the Tories, the Conservative party grass roots have already signalled ABS (Anyone But Sunak) and Mordant has already confirmed that she would not have Boris Johnson in the cabinet.

I am not entirely sure that our Penny will be healing the Tory party divisions any time soon

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/top-tories-admit-general-election-is-unavoidable-as-nadine-dorries-laments-boris-retreat/ar-AA13ijn2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=47968f5665f944c28e1f95f4bb27e54d
Your party is heading fast the way of the Lib Dems, only Labour left now to deal with, if people hold their nerve after the last 6 years you can say goodbye to the Westminster party. 

[Streetwalker]

The establishment having failed to get their man in first time around look like the have succeeded this time . To be honest the whole thing stinks to me 

The next GE whenever it is will be ABTTB  (anyone but the Tory ba.....) for people across the country . 

They are not conservatives anymore and haven't been for some time , puppets of globalists ,social democrats and spineless yes men  . May as well have let the EU govern us , they are that bad .

[Borchester]

You may well be right — but just as there's Toot's ABS (Anyone But Sunak) group, I'm a supporter of the AABB (Amost Anyone But Boris) group.

Mordant appears to have the confidence composure to hold the party together if she gets it — and deserves a responsible job with the new administration if it's Sunak...

The Labour party currently has a 33% lead over the Tories, the Conservative party grass roots have already signalled ABS (Anyone But Sunak) and Mordant has already confirmed that she would not have Boris Johnson in the cabinet.

I am not entirely sure that our Penny will be healing the Tory party divisions any time soon

[patman post]

I get the feeling if Mordant can get to the members she could get the job.

You may well be right — but just as there's Toot's ABS (Anyone But Sunak) group, I'm a supporter of the AABB (Amost Anyone But Boris) group. 

Mordant appears to have the confidence composure to hold the party together if she gets it — and deserves a responsible job with the new administration if it's Sunak...

[patman post]

Hope not — except he couldn't be PM unless he gave it up. Being a nasty vindictive type, I'd petition to have his list of nominations for honours voided...

[cromwell]

New Years honours list

Lord Boris of ??   Answers on a postcard please