Blood around the door?

[T00ts]

Interesting sentiments.

It's a shame Toots doesn't post more often.

Thank you for the sentiment.

[Borg Refinery]

Interesting sentiments.

It's a shame Toots doesn't post more often.

[T00ts]

With all due respect, all religious texts are written so vaguely that pretty much what ever happens can be interpreted into them. As Stephen Fry once said, what kind of God creates an insect that's sole purpose is to burrow into a child's eye and make it blind? Also, you have evidence as to when those scriptures were written, can you evidence prophecy post scriptures ?

Thank you for the respect and I understand why people doubt what, for me and many others, is complete conviction. Scriptures are vague, as you put it, because so much is written with symbolism and much of the understanding comes by way of Spiritual enlightenment as we study them. Not all at once, after all we are all capable of different levels of understanding. Sometimes it is massive and at other times it is harder. I once had it explained as being like a bucket. Sometimes the bucket is filled drip by drip but then suddenly it is overflowing and you are reaching for replacements every few seconds. It is quite amazing.
Again I guess an acceptance of a Holy Ghost/Spirit is a feint hope, but Jesus promised us a comforter and the Holy Spirit is it. Belief in God is not rational thought in my experience it is far more profound than that and the rational understanding comes with faith not before it. I have said it many times but ask humbly and sincerely and you will be answered. I guess I would be wasting my time if I said that I do believe that prophesy and miracles still happen, but my experience is that God doesn't lay it all out on a plate for us and continues to communicate with us as necessary in the same ways that He always has. We have to work for the knowledge or understanding.

As to the horrors that exist in this world I do not have all the answers nor expect to. I have always thought that lack of disease etc would prohibit the increase in knowledge of cures etc. which is one of the many reasons that we are here at all, to gain knowledge of everything in the universe and beyond, but I guess that will also be classed as a cop out. I understand that too. 

I guess it is difficult for me to understand a complete denial of God since I have believed since a small child, but that belief was completely confirmed as an adult in quite a dramatic way, and since that day there is no way I can ever say I do not believe.

[Nick]

For those who deny Christ and God it begs the question of why the Scriptures so often report visions and prophesies that have in time, actually been fulfilled,

With all due respect, all religious texts are written so vaguely that pretty much what ever happens can be interpreted into them. As Stephen Fry once said, what kind of God creates an insect that's sole purpose is to burrow into a child's eye and make it blind? Also, you have evidence as to when those scriptures were written, can you evidence prophecy post scriptures ?

[papasmurf]

It's unfortunate that so many in the world feel justified in belittling the different faiths. 

I merely do not want ANY faith followers proselytising at me at my own front door. (Even more so when they drag their children with them to do it.)

[T00ts]

It's unfortunate that so many in the world feel justified in belittling the different faiths. Since Jesus there has been a constant of those who have carried the belief in who He was/is and although the quest for power and wealth led them in many wrong directions I feel that those of us who do believe should be grateful to them for keeping Christianity alive. For those who deny Christ and God it begs the question of why the Scriptures so often report visions and prophesies that have in time, actually been fulfilled, if not to carry the message down through the ages, as if they were only too aware that time would make a disbelieving mankind imagine that they are somehow invincible without asking how or why or recognising the existence of an Almighty with infinite power way beyond our comprehension.

The fact that the Jehova Witness' belief differed radically from my own did not make the value of their faith any less but very interesting and I was sorry that I did not have another opportunity to 'chew the fat' again.

[Borg Refinery]

My friend from California (the from California part says it all) simply answered the door naked to them and they never came back

[Nick]

I had a Mormon labourer a few years back and he got absolutely wankered one Friday after work at the local pub , I ended up taking him back to the site and letting him sleep it off in the hut . Always wondered what his problem was and now I know ,he was used to drinking shandy's

The strange thing was, there was a fridge in the corner which had all kinds of IPA's and Cider's up to 8%. I could walk in with six bottles of Red wine, pay a corking fee and drink the lot, just couldn't get a draught pint above 2.4%. Figure that one out?
Clearly your oppo was a draught man   

[Streetwalker]

I did a job in SLC a few years back, I took great delight in discussing their church of the LSD, they didn't find it funny. I didn't find it funny that they have a law that you can't serve draught beer above 2.4%!!

I had a Mormon labourer a few years back and he got absolutely wankered one Friday after work at the local pub , I ended up taking him back to the site and letting him sleep it off in the hut . Always wondered what his problem was and now I know ,he was used to drinking shandy's

[Nick]

I remember in my youth spending some time putting the Mormons right (one m too many) they never came back.

I did a job in SLC a few years back, I took great delight in discussing their church of the LSD, they didn't find it funny. I didn't find it funny that they have a law that you can't serve draught beer above 2.4%!!

[Streetwalker]

I would counter that with surely all beliefs are a cult of some sort. If unbelievers were of a mind to go door knocking to persuade anyone prepared to listen that there is no God, and the way of the world is by far the best option, would they be considered just as mad? So perhaps they could also be described as a cult.

Add to that the example that the way of the world is offering us a decent/perfect future, might see as many thinking that it's just as dumb a belief. Sadly it tends to be when the world is really giving everyone a dreadful time that people look for a higher authority in the hope that there is actually something better than what we are creating here. Time will tell.

I cant see non believers on the knocker Toots , its a completely different game telling people they are mad rather than trying to convince them that you are not . 

[T00ts]

Are not all religions dependent on brainwashing to some degree ?  When it gets to the point of knocking on peoples doors though its time to ban them IMO. I wonder how many people they recruit with their constant door knocking , I cant see many people if any thinking thats a good idea I'll join these nutters with their backward beliefs .

But then again nothing would surprise me these days

I would counter that with surely all beliefs are a cult of some sort. If unbelievers were of a mind to go door knocking to persuade anyone prepared to listen that there is no God, and the way of the world is by far the best option, would they be considered just as mad? So perhaps they could also be described as a cult.

Add to that the example that the way of the world is offering us a decent/perfect future, might see as many thinking that it's just as dumb a belief. Sadly it tends to be when the world is really giving everyone a dreadful time that people look for a higher authority in the hope that there is actually something better than what we are creating here. Time will tell.

[Streetwalker]

Yes, they definitely have a database or phsical list of homes where they will be wasting their time. Ours is on it since I took the opportunity to preach to them on the doorstep. They pretend to be interested, but have been well brainwashed by their cult. They do not return.

Are not all religions dependent on brainwashing to some degree ?  When it gets to the point of knocking on peoples doors though its time to ban them IMO. I wonder how many people they recruit with their constant door knocking , I cant see many people if any thinking thats a good idea I'll join these nutters with their backward beliefs .

But then again nothing would surprise me these days 

[T00ts]

I remember in my youth spending some time putting the Mormons right (one m too many) they never came back.

LOL Another immoveable one!!  

[Barry]

Yes, they definitely have a database or phsical list of homes where they will be wasting their time. Ours is on it since I took the opportunity to preach to them on the doorstep. They pretend to be interested, but have been well brainwashed by their cult. They do not return.