DWP admits: We’re too slow, too inaccurate, costly, and claimants don’t trust us

[Unlucky4Sum]

From what Ive seen that goes far beyond the DWP . The incompetence and down right negligence shown actually makes a good case for a universal basic income 

Not a great fan of universal income.  People have to genuinely try to work to be given out of work benefits.  But jeez as a society do we make it difficult for so many to be able to work.

[Borchester]

It probably has something to do with how disabilities are assessed . It would appear you only have to be a fat bastard  in the UK to be classified as disabled . Your partner then becomes your carerer or if they are a fat bastard too maybe your kids can jump on the benefit wagon . You end up with a whole family claiming disabled related benefits .


Please note this was in no way meant to offend fat bastards but was used as an example of how non disabled people can get on the disability register . I appologise in advance for any offence caused and salute all the  fat bastards that waddle off to work every day .

Thank you.

It really depends on your choice of wife. I am a fat bastard but all I ever got was well fatso, the kids are wanting so you can get off your arse and find some work.

[Streetwalker]

She had to go part time, she was hardly a high flying exec.  They really suffered.  The DWP statistics show they were far from alone as the incentives to issue benefit sanctions pervaded through the DWP.  Some senior execs and ministers there really should have been done for misconduct in public office.

From what Ive seen that goes far beyond the DWP . The incompetence and down right negligence shown actually makes a good case for a universal basic income  

[Unlucky4Sum]

I thought that was how it worked now anyway with benefits based on household income ?  If his partner had enough money coming in (tax relief for a dependent relative ) then he has got no chance .

Sadly they would probably have been better off if she had ditched the job and become his carer

She had to go part time, she was hardly a high flying exec.  They really suffered.  The DWP statistics show they were far from alone as the incentives to issue benefit sanctions pervaded through the DWP.   Some senior execs and ministers there really should have been done for misconduct in public office.

[Streetwalker]

If you were disabled you'd likely die with attitudes like that.

DWP denied benefits to a massive stoke victim I knew because he said he could move more than 50 yards - in his electric wheelchair and the evil sods put that down as his own mobility.  With appeals taking a year he was bloody lucky his partner had enough money coming in to keep them alive.

That's the reality of what the DWP have been doing since 2010:  quick to use false pretext to deny, very slow to correct.  And sadly some have died as a result.
 

I thought that was how it worked now anyway with benefits based on household income ?  If his partner had enough money coming in (tax relief for a dependent relative ) then he has got no chance .

Sadly they would probably have been better off if she had ditched the job and become his carer 

[Unlucky4Sum]

It's actually more than 10%. 3.9 million out of 35 million, unless your going to argue the maths on that?

I make it 9% but your point was essentially true

[Nick]

Not sure it's actually up to 10% but this IFS report shows it's increased significantly


When then law of the land says it's illegal to take a job unless you're worth £10.42 an hour plus pension, NI etc to the employer then it's obvious that a significant number won't be worth that because their multi faceted ability doesn't meet that level.

It's actually more than 10%. 3.9 million out of 35 million, unless your going to argue the maths on that?

[Unlucky4Sum]

This is terrible news.

If I was a claimant I would refuse to deal with the DWP. I would simply flounce out and get a job

If you were disabled you'd likely die with attitudes like that. 
 
DWP denied benefits to a massive stoke victim I knew because he said he could move more than 50 yards - in his electric wheelchair and the evil sods put that down as his own mobility.  With appeals taking a year he was bloody lucky his partner had enough money coming in to keep them alive.
 
That's the reality of what the DWP have been doing since 2010:  quick to use false pretext to deny, very slow to correct.  And sadly some have died as a result.
  

[Unlucky4Sum]

What a load of crap: you're telling me 10% of the UK working age people are disabled? Absolute rubbish. India only has a 4.5% population of disabled people.
As for the too slow, the slower the better I say. Look what happened when UC came in, loads suddenly decided they could work after all.
For someone who purports to have worked all their life, you seem very keen on cuddling up to layabouts.

Not sure it's actually up to 10% but this IFS report shows it's increased significantly


When then law of the land says it's illegal to take a job unless you're worth £10.42 an hour plus pension, NI etc to the employer then it's obvious that a significant number won't be worth that because their multi faceted ability doesn't meet that level.   

[Unlucky4Sum]

How many of the UK's working age people have decided to opt out of regular working through taking early retirement, downsizing, and taking career breaks...?

Don't know but I did (I'd worked hard, saved hard and very importantly: planned well) 
 
Labour force participation stats don't suggest there's actually been only a small increase despite all the noise around this issue.


United Kingdom Economic Activity Rate  https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/labor-force-participation-rate

[patman post]

How many of the UK's working age people have decided to opt out of regular working through taking early retirement, downsizing, and taking career breaks...?

[Unlucky4Sum]

There is a comedian call Greg Davies, he is 6'7, and was told he qualified as disabled cause he was so tall. It's absolute nonsense.

Greg Davies is a comedian that tells plausible made up stories to amuse.  I do hope you realise that. 

He doesn't have a blue card and he is not classified as disabled for DWP purposes.  

[Nick]

It probably has something to do with how disabilities are assessed . It would appear you only have to be a fat bastard  in the UK to be classified as disabled . Your partner then becomes your carerer or if they are a fat bastard too maybe your kids can jump on the benefit wagon . You end up with a whole family claiming disabled related benefits .


Please note this was in no way meant to offend fat bastards but was used as an example of how non disabled people can get on the disability register . I apologise in advance for any offence caused and salute all the  fat bastards that waddle off to work every day .

There is a comedian call Greg Davies, he is 6'7, and was told he qualified as disabled cause he was so tall. It's absolute nonsense.

[Streetwalker]

What a load of crap: you're telling me 10% of the UK working age people are disabled? Absolute rubbish. India only has a 4.5% population of disabled people.
As for the too slow, the slower the better I say. Look what happened when UC came in, loads suddenly decided they could work after all.
For someone who purports to have worked all their life, you seem very keen on cuddling up to layabouts.

It probably has something to do with how disabilities are assessed . It would appear you only have to be a fat bastard   in the UK to be classified as disabled . Your partner then becomes your carerer or if they are a fat bastard too maybe your kids can jump on the benefit wagon . You end up with a whole family claiming disabled related benefits .


Please note this was in no way meant to offend fat bastards but was used as an example of how non disabled people can get on the disability register . I appologise in advance for any offence caused and salute all the  fat bastards that waddle off to work every day .

[Nick]

Not news to me but for the DWP confessions is good for the soul. Live links at links.

Transforming health assessments for disability benefits - NAO report

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DWP admits: We're too slow, too inaccurate, too costly, and claimants don't trust us

By John Pring on 29th June 2023Category: Benefits and Poverty

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The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has admitted to the public spending watchdog that its system of disability benefits assessments is too slow, too expensive and too inaccurate, and too many claimants do not trust how it makes decisions.
The admissions are contained in a National Audit Office (NAO) report which provides the most detailed analysis yet of "ambitious" DWP plans to simplify the application and assessment system, which currently provides disability benefits to an estimated 3.9 million working-age people.
The report says DWP's billion-pound Health Transformation Programme represents "an opportunity to substantially improve the cost, timeliness, and accuracy" of benefit assessments "while improving the experience for claimants and increasing the trust they have in the system".
The NAO report, Transforming Health Assessments for Disability Benefits, concludes: "While the programme is ambitious and has the potential to make savings and improve the experience of those being assessed, the scale and complexity of the transformation leaves it at high risk of delay, cost overruns, and of not achieving the intended benefits."

What a load of crap: you're telling me 10% of the UK working age people are disabled? Absolute rubbish. India only has a 4.5% population of disabled people.
As for the too slow, the slower the better I say. Look what happened when UC came in, loads suddenly decided they could work after all.
For someone who purports to have worked all their life, you seem very keen on cuddling up to layabouts.