Government concerned by immigration lawyer 'hitlist'

[papasmurf]

The ECHR leads to some pretty terrible miscarriages of justice, at the same time, it prevents Labour governments from riding roughshod over the rights of normal people it would deem eligible to be "debanked" for example.

It has prevented the Tories being as nasty as they wanted to be in their time in office. 

[Borg Refinery]

We were unable to extradite Abu Hamza due to ECHR, that was great!!
Any other benefits you can think of?

The ECHR leads to some pretty terrible miscarriages of justice, at the same time, it prevents Labour governments from riding roughshod over the rights of normal people it would deem eligible to be "debanked" for example.

[Nick]

Nick I posted a link to a comprehensive and detailed legal analysis of the dangers of coming out of the EHCR. That you could not be bothered to read it is YOUR problem not mine.

No you posted someone's view containing zero evidence. If you believe there was some evidence copy some open text instead of hiding behind a link. 

[papasmurf]

No, you posted an obscure link showing one woman's views on leaving the ECHR, that is neither evidential nor an unbiased view. You clearly think you know the subject well, give us some insight into why leaving the ECHR would be detrimental, instead on constantly standing on others shoulders.

Nick I posted a link to a comprehensive and detailed legal analysis of the dangers of coming out of the EHCR. That you could not be bothered to read it is YOUR problem not mine.

[Nick]

Nick I posted a link which again you could not be bothered to read. Ditching The EHCR would be a serious threat to British citizens human rights.

No, you posted an obscure link showing one woman's views on leaving the ECHR, that is neither evidential nor an unbiased view. You clearly think you know the subject well, give us some insight into why leaving the ECHR would be detrimental, instead on constantly standing on others shoulders. 

[papasmurf]

Many Tories because the party is inundated with Europhiles, that's the reason we go such a dogs dinner of Brexit, nothing to do with logic. You still haven't shown any evidence as to the damage that would be done if we left except that Joni Mitchell understands both sides now.

Nick I posted a link which again you could not be bothered to read. Ditching The EHCR would be a serious threat to British citizens human rights. 

[Nick]

Nick you really have NO idea of the danger there would be to British citizens if Britain comes out of the ECHR.

To quoted Joni Mitchell:- "Don't it always seem to go

That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone?"

Even many Tories are against coming out of the ECHR, even they know the dangers.
Personally I have won three tribunals against the government and helped several others to do the same. No ECHR we would not have tribunals, let alone a case to fight the government/government agency with.

Many Tories because the party is inundated with Europhiles, that's the reason we go such a dogs dinner of Brexit, nothing to do with logic. You still haven't shown any evidence as to the damage that would be done if we left except that Joni Mitchell understands both sides now. 

[papasmurf]

We were unable to extradite Abu Hamza due to ECHR, that was great!!
Any other benefits you can think of?

Nick you really have NO idea of the danger there would be to British citizens if Britain comes out of the ECHR.

To quoted Joni Mitchell:- "Don't it always seem to go

That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone?"

Even many Tories are against coming out of the ECHR, even they know the dangers.
Personally I have won three tribunals against the government and helped several others to do the same. No ECHR we would not have tribunals, let alone a case to fight the government/government agency with.

[Nick]

Nick when it comes to human right it is not. The people wanting out of the ECHR need to wake up an smell the coffee. It will be too late when you find out you have no defence as a British citizen against a hostile to you British government or government agency.

A lot more at link:-

Leaving the ECHR: A Realistic and Viable Proposal?  - The Constitution Society (consoc.org.uk)

The Court in Miller held that the executive cannot exercise its prerogative powers in situations where citizens' rights will be curtailed. It is only open to Parliament to legislate for the curtailment of human rights. Withdrawal from the ECHR would almost certainly erode human rights protections in the UK.

We were unable to extradite Abu Hamza due to ECHR, that was great!!
Any other benefits you can think of?

[papasmurf]

British law is far more robust than the ECHR, we don't need them to beat us with our own law.

Nick when it comes to human right it is not. The people wanting out of the ECHR need to wake up an smell the coffee. It will be too late when you find out you have no defence as a British citizen against a hostile to you British government or government agency.

A lot more at link:-

Leaving the ECHR: A Realistic and Viable Proposal?  - The Constitution Society (consoc.org.uk)

The Court in Miller held that the executive cannot exercise its prerogative powers in situations where citizens' rights will be curtailed. It is only open to Parliament to legislate for the curtailment of human rights. Withdrawal from the ECHR would almost certainly erode human rights protections in the UK.

[Nick]

I presume you mean ECHR. Leaving that would leave British citizens with no protection against a British government hostile to them personally. (Be VERY careful what you wish for.)

British law is far more robust than the ECHR, we don't need them to beat us with our own law. 

[papasmurf]

Of course these lawyers are only doing their jobs and shouldn't be under any threat from the nutjobs that may wish them harm . Supporting leaving the UCHR would possibly be a better and more useful campaign than harassing people

I presume you mean ECHR. Leaving that would leave British citizens with no protection against a British government hostile to them personally. (Be VERY careful what you wish for.)

[Streetwalker]

Of course these lawyers are only doing their jobs and shouldn't be under any threat from the nutjobs that may wish them harm . Supporting leaving the UCHR would possibly be a better and more useful campaign than harassing people 

[papasmurf]

Whether anyone likes it or not anyone is legally entitled to legal representation. (Goes back to the Magna Carta.) Tory government ministers, journalists, newspapers, bloggers and others who ought to know better have been attacking immigration lawyers with the spoken and written word for years. 
This is the result, more at link:-

Government concerned by immigration lawyer 'hitlist' - BBC News

7 August 2024
The government says social media platforms "clearly need to do far more" after it emerged a list purporting to contain the names and addresses of immigration lawyers was being spread online.
Initially shared on the Telegram messaging app - along with the phrase "no more immigration" - it has now begun appearing on other platforms.
Lawyers have told the BBC they have been advised by police to work from home, board up office windows and install fireproof letterboxes.
Jim McMahon, minister for Housing, Communities and Local Government, told the Today programme, on BBC Radio 4, that he was "concerned".
One immigration lawyer on the list told the BBC she had been repeatedly threatened, and received messages on Monday from concerned colleagues, clients and members of the public telling her she was "on a hitlist".
The Law Society of England and Wales said it was treating the list as a "very credible threat" to its members.
"This week has been a stark reminder that the anti-lawyer rhetoric has very real-world consequences for solicitors working tirelessly for their clients, access to justice and the rule of law," said its president Nick Emmerson.