20mph limit on al Central London TfL roads

[Wiggles]

Actually, if you were to force that, cyclist deaths would increase five fold as pissed off truck drivers would target them



Try riding a bike (push or motor) these days in bristol and you will soon see what I mean.

I drove a truck for ten years, most cyclists deserve what they get, sanctimonious bar stewards, the lot of em

[johnofgwent]

Yep, and if we drive at 10mph, they are probably 50 times less likely to get killed. If we just sit in the car without actually driving it, there is no chance of killing anyone at all. I sort of remember the car being invented to get us from "A" to "B" more quickly, and pavements being designed for pedestrians. Does anyone know when this stopped ?

Actually, if you were to force that, cyclist deaths would increase five fold as pissed off truck drivers would target them



Try riding a bike (push or motor) these days in bristol and you will soon see what I mean.

[Streetwalker]

Perhaps a little off of topic, but could we bring back hanging for cyclists that wear Lycra ?

Yes , especially for the guy by who comes out by the bus stop in the mornings who looks like Mr jelly bean  



Croydon has had the 20 mph on all but the main artery's for a while now and nobody takes any notice of it . It really is just too slow

[Wiggles]

Perhaps a little off of topic, but could we bring back hanging for cyclists that wear Lycra ?

[patman post]

Will the trains be slowing to 20 mph to give the drivers a chance to stop when there's someone on the track? Maybe a car driver who has become depressed at waiting in traffic queues or held up behind a cyclist?

I guess 99.9999 recurring of humans where trains are have learned that walking on the track is dangerous. Surprisingly, it's only recently that a few station platforms have put doors between the passengers and track, and I often wondered at there being so few casualties as express trains sped through crowded stations.



A few London streets tried red-lining along the kerb to make it an offence for pedestrians to walk on the road (a couple of kerbstones on Fleet Street still show traces). Later Exhibition Road in Kensington, tried no demarcation between people and traffic, but that's proved risky as traffic speeds increased and the street is being "remodelled"...

[Barry]

Will the trains be slowing to 20 mph to give the drivers a chance to stop when there's someone on the track? Maybe a car driver who has become depressed at waiting in traffic queues or held up behind a cyclist?

[papasmurf]

When I was a Juggernaut pilot back in the 1970s reaching the heady speed of 20mph in London was a rarity.

[Wiggles]

Title should read: "20mph limit on all Central London TfL roads", but site didn't accept corrections and posted before instructed



Notice from Transport for London:

From Monday 2 March, TfL roads in central London will be changing their speed limit to 20mph.

This is to improve safety for all road users, as if someone is hit at 30mph, they're five times more likely to die than if they are hit at 20mph. This is part of the Mayor's commitment to Vision Zero to ensure there are zero deaths and serious injuries on London's roads by 2041.



Surprisingly there are still a few places where speeds above 30mph are still occasionally possible (Park Lane being one). But generally, keeping up to 20mph is a struggle...

Yep, and if we drive at 10mph, they are probably 50 times less likely to get killed. If we just sit in the car without actually driving it, there is no chance of killing anyone at all. I sort of remember the car being invented to get us from "A" to "B" more quickly, and pavements being designed for pedestrians. Does anyone know when this stopped ?

[Streetwalker]

Another balls up by Sad Kant . Its all well and good during the daytime traffic congestion where average speeds in London are a just 6 miles an hour and drivers would be more than happy to get up to 20mph but....What happens in the dead of night when your trying to get home from central London at 20mph ? (the answer is you will be getting overtaken by every other road user ) Could have at least made it between 7 and 7  .

[patman post]

It was a tongue in cheek question.Last time I drove down the embankment it was scary and that was some years ago. 20mph is all very well but even when traffic is stopped the bikes still bomb through wherever they fancy.

The Embankment is now almost impossible for drivers — driving north over Blackfriars Bridge and either down onto Embankment going west, or New Bridge Street up to Ludgate Circus, priority is given to cyclists. The only bright spot is that cyclists have to gamble and cross live traffic if they don't want Victoria Embankment...

[T00ts]

No law applies to cyclists — it only applies for cyclists.

Even the gov tells cylists to "ride well clear of the kerb - 1 metre away or in the centre of the left lane"**. I recall seeing the recommendation somewhere that cyclists should ride in the middle of narrow roads in London to stop vehicles overtaking them and accidentally side swiping them...

**https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121005154822/http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Cycling/DG_10026401">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov ... G_10026401">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121005154822/http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Cycling/DG_10026401

It was a tongue in cheek question.Last time I drove down the embankment it was scary and that was some years ago. 20mph is all very well but even when traffic is stopped the bikes still bomb through wherever they fancy.

[patman post]

Will it apply to cyclists?

No law applies to cyclists — it only applies for cyclists.

Even the gov tells cylists to "ride well clear of the kerb - 1 metre away or in the centre of the left lane"**. I recall seeing the recommendation somewhere that cyclists should ride in the middle of narrow roads in London to stop vehicles overtaking them and accidentally side swiping them...

**https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121005154822/http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Cycling/DG_10026401">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov ... G_10026401">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121005154822/http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Cycling/DG_10026401

[T00ts]

Notice from Transport for London:

From Monday 2 March, TfL roads in central London will be changing their speed limit to 20mph.

This is to improve safety for all road users, as if someone is hit at 30mph, they're five times more likely to die than if they are hit at 20mph. This is part of the Mayor's commitment to Vision Zero to ensure there are zero deaths and serious injuries on London's roads by 2041.



Surprisingly there are still a few places where speeds above 30mph are still occasionally possible (Park Lane being one). But generally, keeping up to 20mph is a stuggle...

Will it apply to cyclists?

[patman post]

Title should read: "20mph limit on all Central London TfL roads", but site didn't accept corrections and posted before instructed



Notice from Transport for London:

From Monday 2 March, TfL roads in central London will be changing their speed limit to 20mph.

This is to improve safety for all road users, as if someone is hit at 30mph, they're five times more likely to die than if they are hit at 20mph. This is part of the Mayor's commitment to Vision Zero to ensure there are zero deaths and serious injuries on London's roads by 2041.



Surprisingly there are still a few places where speeds above 30mph are still occasionally possible (Park Lane being one). But generally, keeping up to 20mph is a struggle...