Tory leadership

[Nick]

Already done, do keep up

No you didn't, you linked to a page of posts.

[Unlucky4Sum]

Either quote him or don't bother posting, I'm not going scrabbling around based on your say.

You really saying you weren't aware.

Will this do Tory leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick has told activists the party will "die" unless it advocates leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

[Unlucky4Sum]

Again, either quote the post or don't bother posting, your modus operandi is very tiresome, this is not Vaguebook.

Already done, do keep up

[Unlucky4Sum]

So back to the contest it's down to Jenrick v Badenoch.  Looks like Cleverly's campaign wasn't as clever as he thought and he got stitched up.  So we're left with Jenrick v Badenoch. 

If I was a Tory I'd vote for Badenoch as she's clearly bright and equally clearly not the finished article so could still become a decent centre right leader.  Jenrick wants to lurch further to the right (ie away from the voting centre of gravity) and would get the party destroyed IF that is he wasn't kicked out after 2 years as IDS was. 

[Nick]

Well seeing as you couldn't respond to post 54 in the relevant thread that's a bit of an ironic claim.  https://pol-tics.com/index.php?topic=7391.50

Again, either quote the post or don't bother posting, your modus operandi is very tiresome, this is not Vaguebook. 

[Nick]

Jenrick

The HRA just puts the ECnHR into UK law.  He has said publicly he wants to ditch that so in effect he wants to ditch the HRA.

Either quote him or don't bother posting, I'm not going scrabbling around based on your say. 

[Unlucky4Sum]

So lets repeat the question from that thread here:

I wonder if any of those opposed to us being signed up to the ECnHR could actually say which articles they object to being part of UK law.

https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/Convention_ENG

[Unlucky4Sum]

Exactly, it's all you get from the ECHR Europhiles, huff and fluff, but never any actual facts about what we will lose.

Well seeing as you couldn't respond to post 54 in the relevant thread that's a bit of an ironic claim.  https://pol-tics.com/index.php?topic=7391.50

[Unlucky4Sum]

That's a new one, who said that?

Jenrick

The HRA just puts the ECnHR into UK law.  He has said publicly he wants to ditch that so in effect he wants to ditch the HRA.

[papasmurf]

Exactly, it's all you get from the ECHR Europhiles, huff and fluff, but never any actual facts about what we will lose.

I post a link to the detail of that Nick, obviously you could not be bothered to read it.

I don't expect you will be bothered to read this one either:- https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9958/

[Nick]

Protections against what ?

Exactly, it's all you get from the ECHR Europhiles, huff and fluff, but never any actual facts about what we will lose.

[Streetwalker]

The government.

https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/what-is-the-echr-and-why-does-it-matter/

If we left the ECHR, what would this mean for ordinary people in the UK?
Leaving the ECHR would put everyone's rights at risk. The ECtHR is a person's last resort for holding the state to account when it has abused their rights.
The Government is already planning to weaken human rights in the UK through its Rights Removal Bill, which will make it much harder for people to get justice if their rights have been abused.
Without the protection of the Human Rights Act or the ECHR, the UK Government would have the power to do whatever it wants to individuals' rights with no threat of consequences.
Leaving the ECHR would also breach the Good Friday Agreement, which requires that the Convention be directly enforceable in Northern Ireland. This would threaten the peace settlement.

So says liberty who work for immigrants when we have rejected their cases . As I say the ECHR is a last resort for migrants to over rule UK courts ,If our courts reject their cases its good enough for me .

[papasmurf]

Protections against what ?

The government.

https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/what-is-the-echr-and-why-does-it-matter/

If we left the ECHR, what would this mean for ordinary people in the UK?
Leaving the ECHR would put everyone's rights at risk. The ECtHR is a person's last resort for holding the state to account when it has abused their rights.
The Government is already planning to weaken human rights in the UK through its Rights Removal Bill, which will make it much harder for people to get justice if their rights have been abused.
Without the protection of the Human Rights Act or the ECHR, the UK Government would have the power to do whatever it wants to individuals' rights with no threat of consequences.
Leaving the ECHR would also breach the Good Friday Agreement, which requires that the Convention be directly enforceable in Northern Ireland. This would threaten the peace settlement.

[T00ts]

Well not going to happen he's out of the contest.

Yes can't say I'm sorry. I was more concerned that the Parliamentary Party would end up giving the membership 2 sides of the coin. At least now we have 2 candidates who are right minded and hopefully will shift the party sideways to give a clear demarcation from the woke ticky tacky boxes of Labour. If Cleverly was still in the mix at least it appears that they are all singing off the same hymn sheet although the margins were very slim. It would be interesting to see what promises were made for support.

[Streetwalker]

The problem is without ECHR British citizens do not have any protection. (Despite the propaganda from those who want out of it.)

Protections against what ?