Boris to address the nation tonight

[johnofgwent]

This has probably been covered but ....



(a) do you have your own company



(b) are you on the pay roll.



If yes to both you should be able to claim up to £2000 per month in lost earnings. Where you claim Christ knows. I imagine HMRC's website will be the usual balls up, but something will be set up pretty soon. The only real problem that I can see is that your accountant seems a decent sort and might be worried about you pulling a flanker, but from my experience the bigger the mob screaming down this internet malarky, the more likely HMRC are inclined to cave in and send you a wedge of cash if only to get shot of you.



And don't ask HMRC jack sh!t. That just gives them a chance to say no, which they will if they don't know the answers. Remember that the lad at the other end of the phone or whatever is most likely just a kid reading off a script that changes every hour. Plus the fact that it isn't their money and they don't give a sod anyway.



Most important of all. This is Boris and Nicola's finest hour. They want to give you vast wedges of cash which will just be added to the National debt and  not have to be repaid until Scotland wins the Six Nations i.e never. So get your claim in as soon as possible and spend the money foolishly.

Yes I think that's the essential point here, it's the self employed that are at risk here, the ones Blair, then brown, then Cameron all refused point blank in turn to give legal recognition to their right to be in business on their own account to as demanded by the FSB. All others including directors of their own ltdcos are covered.

[cromwell]

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In these stressful times being less aggressive might help



Thanks

[Thomas]

Gladly.

I hope you find whatever certainty it is you're looking for soon.

aye im sure many others do too.

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[Thomas]

I have over the years often questioned if I did the right thing by setting myself up as a Limited Company and paying myself through PAYE and Dividends, rather than go Schedule D Self Employed.

At the moment I am seriously relieved that I did and that it has the most advantages for me.



The scheme however is still hypothetical and still lacks actual detail. It reminds me of my long gone Grandad's favourite joke from the trenches of the 1st war "Dear Mum, I am sending you 5 Shillings, but not this week"



How to give support to the Self Employed. I think to base on the net profit of the last three years tax returns is not a bad idea, and formatted in line with what they would have received from  Income Protection Insurance.

Good for you sampan , and the highlighted bit is pretty much what most other folk are saying.



unlike one or two posters on here , the rest of us mere mortals dont have the luxury of a string of wine bars chugging along making us millions while we flit from our mayfair mansion to our french chateau amongst the vinyards of pouilly fuisse , but be that as it may , im sure you like most of the rest of us are struggling on regardless.



best wishes to you and yours and stay healthy.

[Thomas]

This has probably been covered but ....



(a) do you have your own company



(b) are you on the pay roll.



If yes to both you should be able to claim up to £2000 per month in lost earnings. Where you claim Christ knows. I imagine HMRC's website will be the usual balls up, but something will be set up pretty soon. The only real problem that I can see is that your accountant seems a decent sort and might be worried about you pulling a flanker, but from my experience the bigger the mob screaming down this internet malarky, the more likely HMRC are inclined to cave in and send you a wedge of cash if only to get shot of you.



And don't ask HMRC jack sh!t. That just gives them a chance to say no, which they will if they don't know the answers. Remember that the lad at the other end of the phone or whatever is most likely just a kid reading off a script that changes every hour. Plus the fact that it isn't their money and they don't give a sod anyway.



Most important of all. This is Boris and Nicola's finest hour. They want to give you vast wedges of cash which will just be added to the National debt and  not have to be repaid until Scotland wins the Six Nations i.e never. So get your claim in as soon as possible and spend the money foolishly.

Borkie cheers for the post auld yin. Im all sorted .



I was just trying to show nalaar that for a lot of folk out there  , there is a lot of uncertainty and confusion regarding their income and jobs.



We stopped work Monday , and  apart from a few loose ends here and there , we know pretty much what is happening within reason in terms of our jobs and income for the next month or so.



Spent much of yesterday sorting a few things out , and then last night was probably the best nights sleep ive had in a week or more.



Today took the boy out for a bike ride  , did some shopping with the mrs and daughter , and have generally had a relaxing day and time to reflect , apart from listening to the rantings and horse manure of the ususal suspects on the interwebby , and being in hysterics after reading it.



We are all fine as can be expected borkie , and i hope you and yours are too auld yin. Stay healthy.

[patman post]

I do not see that there need be any confusion in the government's advice and instructions for most people if they bother to listen to and look at the many reliable sources of information.

Admittedly, it is true that advice, information and instructions evolve as new data are fed into government, and various agencies develop plans and endeavour to put them into practice — this is why it is important to keep up to date with information from all relevant sources.

Frankly — apart from low-earning self employed who cannot now work and are waiting for specialist help packages for their status — it seems like it's the cognitively impaired, the intentionally stupid, the utterly selfish, and the naturally worried, who keep complaining about a lack of clarity.

The vast majority of the rest of us are concerned for ourselves and our families and friends, but are grateful to have a government that's bringing in measures and giving instructions as the data present...

[Nalaar]

Gladly.

I hope you find whatever certainty it is you're looking for soon.

[Sampanviking]

I have over the years often questioned if I did the right thing by setting myself up as a Limited Company and paying myself through PAYE and Dividends, rather than go Schedule D Self Employed.

At the moment I am seriously relieved that I did and that it has the most advantages for me.



The scheme however is still hypothetical and still lacks actual detail. It reminds me of my long gone Grandad's favourite joke from the trenches of the 1st war "Dear Mum, I am sending you 5 Shillings, but not this week"



How to give support to the Self Employed. I think to base on the net profit of the last three years tax returns is not a bad idea, and formatted in line with what they would have received from  Income Protection Insurance.

[Borchester]

This has probably been covered but ....



(a) do you have your own company



(b) are you on the pay roll.



If yes to both you should be able to claim up to £2000 per month in lost earnings. Where you claim Christ knows. I imagine HMRC's website will be the usual balls up, but something will be set up pretty soon. The only real problem that I can see is that your accountant seems a decent sort and might be worried about you pulling a flanker, but from my experience the bigger the mob screaming down this internet malarky, the more likely HMRC are inclined to cave in and send you a wedge of cash if only to get shot of you.



And don't ask HMRC jack sh!t. That just gives them a chance to say no, which they will if they don't know the answers. Remember that the lad at the other end of the phone or whatever is most likely just a kid reading off a script that changes every hour. Plus the fact that it isn't their money and they don't give a sod anyway.



Most important of all. This is Boris and Nicola's finest hour. They want to give you vast wedges of cash which will just be added to the National debt and  not have to be repaid until Scotland wins the Six Nations i.e never. So get your claim in as soon as possible and spend the money foolishly.

[Thomas]

Nalaar says  if you arent covered by the job retention scheme , just go to work in his educated opinion  , lay a few blocks on the street in battersea , spread the virus , at least you will get your wages from the company despite the government telling non essential people laying blocks on a street in london they arent essential but their company telling them go to work or you dont get paid.



Thanks fur clearing that up nalaar.



I wance went oot wae a burd fae edinburgh that had eczema. she had cracking breasts.

[Thomas]

Okay, so if you are certain that they are not covered by the job retention scheme, then where is the confusion?

I don't see what more clarity you need.



-You are still required to work.

Thats wasnt what was originally announced though was it which is part of streetwalkers point.



They said no one was to go to work unless they were key workers , with the defintion of key workers defined by government such as health , police etc , then they annouced you could go to work if it was essential , and could work safely within the social distancing rules.



As many have pointed out , anyone who needs money and isnt getting any government help has to "essentially " go to work , and looking at construction workers in cities like london crowding on the underground and crowding on sites is laughable.



So i dont agree with the premise of your post that no more clarity is needed.

Are the construction workers being required to work?

Every worker in these islands and across the globe is "required" to work.



They are "required" to work for their wages , for their company , and for the general economy.



However under the current restrictions announced originally by the uk government and devolved adminsintrations , some of which contradicts each other advice , construction workers laying block paving outside a shop in battersea arent "key " workers required to work under the original uk government guidelines.



Neither are they practicing social distancing under gov guidelines.



So to answer your question , no they arent required to work as they arent key workers , and could further inflame the corona virus epidemic.



However , from their own point of view , and possibly their companies point of view , they are required to work to get paid.



Can you see the conflict in terms of choice people  and companies are being forced to make?

another one who cant follow a thread and conveniently forgets the discussion at hand and the points made. ::



feck off nalaar.

[Nalaar]

Lets clarify the point about contruction workers and the so called certainty you say exists when it doesnt.



Self employed or sub contractors who will not be on PAYE are not covered by the job retention scheme. Universal credit is a complete irrelevance to the topic at hand.

Okay, so if you are certain that they are not covered by the job retention scheme, then where is the confusion?

[Thomas]

As a self employed  Brickie sole trader not under universal credit  I will  be  surprised if there is any free money out there for me . But that's not the point that being the nations health which isn't going to benefit from (how many ) construction workers roaming the streets of London or any other City of the UK .



I know there and contractual obligations that sub contractors have to meet and is why the guys are still being asked to turn up for work . That along with the prospect of a vastly reduced income at best is what keeps the sites open . Its only with government intervention that those contracts can be put to one side  the sites closed  and some money sorted out for the men



The Mrs who works for a construction company that carries out council maintenance in various parts of London has just closed its offices . Maybe they know something .

Totally agree mate. I have a small amount of personal savings and wont be entitled to any universal credit.



Im hearing on twatter AXA are demanding workers turn up for work and are self identifying their workers as "essential".



We have nicola sturgeon saying gardiners and the like can go out to work as long as they keep their distance , but construction workers must stop , and the opposite seems to be the case down your neck of the woods.



The whole thing is a clusterfuck.



As you say they now have to say stop for three months , this is what you will get in terms of help , and then we will review where we are after that.



As i said , we are in a no mans land of conflicting information and total confusion.



I thought the WHO were advising lockdown and mass testing?

[Thomas]

?

Then I am not sure what you where asking when you said





What where you asking me, if not self-employment eligibility for the scheme?

You know fine well what i am asking. Stop trying to litter the thread with the ususal bullshit diversions and innuendo. The last refuge of a scoundrel losing an argument.



The whole overriding point is i , and streewalker along with many others , are saying confusion reigns in many areas of society over coronavirus. Whilst we all have some sympathy with the government , that is rapidly diminishing due to poorly thought out announcements regarding the economy and how they are beginning to handle things. The main argument is they are sending out conflicting information and putting the economy before peoples health.



Confusion reigns , and you are trying to lamely and limply imply there is certainty , and when i ask you what certainty , you give empty replies full of holes and even more confusion.



Lets clarify the point about contruction workers and the so called certainty you say exists when it doesnt.



Self employed or sub contractors who will not be on PAYE are not covered by the job retention scheme. Universal credit is a complete irrelevance to the topic at hand.



You have done nothing but splutter about certainty through this thread when there is none.

[Nalaar]

The self employed are currently under Universal Credit

i know that , and i never asked that...

?

Then I am not sure what you where asking when you said

Are the aforementioned sub contractors and self employed contruction workers able to apply to be on it?

What where you asking me, if not self-employment eligibility for the scheme?