I can't see this nonsense lasting much longer

[Wiggles]

For those who chose not to believe me, this the vile company I once worked for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-clrA7c371c&t=10s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-clrA7c371c&t=10s

[johnofgwent]

Oh I LOVE anaesthetists. With my conscious control of metabolism I can wind them up something rotten. I have not yet programmed myself to.wake in mid op and collect a bloody fortune, but I might just for a laugh.

[Borchester]

The worst case would be your immune systems fail to react to the same bug coming back at you a short time after you fought it off. I'm not saying that is or isn't the case here, I (still).dont know... if it is, then this sodding bug will be able to come at us again and again and again until it kills us through exhaustion.

To be honest John, when I walk the streets and see my fellow countrymen and women masked up for fear of the Chinese Cold I am afraid that I might die of shame.



Funny thing. I have type 2 diabetes which is no big thing, but it does mean that if I don't tank up on medication I spend most of my time in a pleasant doze. My medication ran out ten days ago and am still waiting on the local chemist to stop arsing around and fill out my repeat prescription.



Which I don't need because what with Herself having me painting and decorating and planting one thing or another on the allotment, I feel as fit as a fiddle.



I like your explanations of how these bugs work. Keep them coming. We have a family friend who is an  anaesthetist. She is a lovely lass but all she knows is if her patients are alive, asleep or dead and not always that. Even so, Madam hangs on her every word and likes to bore the arse off me with her useless pronouncements.

[johnofgwent]

Did we not all?

I think we did. I dont personally recall getting chickenpox more than once, but I've had mumps three times ...



Medically speaking I'm trying to work out whether multiple occurrences of a disease are thanks to rapid significant change in the feature that serves as an antigen, so you encounter the disease more than once and your immune system is fooled both times, versus the second round being bugs that stayed in you having a second go.



The worst case would be your immune systems fail to react to the same bug coming back at you a short time after you fought it off. I'm not saying that is or isn't the case here, I (still).dont know... if it is, then this sodding bug will be able to come at us again and again and again until it kills us through exhaustion.

[papasmurf]

I tell you, if they had put my mum in charge of this current nonsense then we would not have it all this current fuss.

My mother had many weeks of Civil Defence disaster training. Apparently the CD manual I found clearing her home out is still covered by the Official Secrets Act.

[Borchester]

I had chicken pox twice, once in childhood, (from the age of 4 until six , I managed to catch more or less everything going except smallpox and the plague,) and again when I was 34 years old. (I has spots everywhere except the soles of my feet.)

Did we not all? Covered in Camaline lotion with a dollop of Vick on our chests and foreheads (no, I never understood that either) and left in a darkened room with a pile of comics and a crate of Tizer, we were over it in a fortnight. I tell you, if they had put my mum in charge of this current nonsense then we would not have it all this current fuss.



"You have found a case of Covid 19 Jack? Where did you pinch that from? I tell you kids, your father would nick anything. Still, maybe we can have it for Sunday lunch."

[papasmurf]

If so, the virus mimics chickenpox. This is one way that a  chickenpox attack in childhood becomes shingles in adult life.

I had chicken pox twice, once in childhood, (from the age of 4 until six , I managed to catch more or less everything going except smallpox and the plague,) and again when I was 34 years old. (I has spots everywhere except the soles of my feet.)

[johnofgwent]

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24532754-600-can-you-catch-the-coronavirus-twice-we-dont-know-yet/#ixzz6Hmi4Jrsl">https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... z6Hmi4Jrsl">https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24532754-600-can-you-catch-the-coronavirus-twice-we-dont-know-yet/#ixzz6Hmi4Jrsl

Ok let me start by saying this makes no bloody sense



And now I shall don my white coat and expand.



In the dying days of my research grant before I was forced to abandon saving life and work on better ways to kill people the literature was filled with stuff about oncogenic viruses and viruses taking refuge in your DNA.



In essence, some viruses were able to crack open your genes at a telomere (starter sequence) insert themselves into your own nuclear material.and then piggyback along for the ride until.your cells divided and this reactivated the virus.



That a patient showing a high virus load and subsequently recovering might then subsequently show a higher than background viral count - IF that's what this report is saying - merely means the virus has found a typhoid Mary. What is of paramount importance to know and I see nothing pointing to it - is whether such patients require readmission to intensive care on reactivation...



If so, the virus mimics chickenpox. This is one way that a  chickenpox attack in childhood becomes shingles in adult life. The damn bug hid in your cells and came out to play ages later. If this is how Covid 19 works, then its game over man, game over until we push itvwhete we have pushed smallpox.



But to panic because levels rise in an asymptomatic patient is a panic too far. It might simply mean their cells tried to release a new payload but their new found immunity has given them a head butt of glaswegian proportions.



Time alone will tell

[johnofgwent]

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John i have to say , your cynicism always makes me smile. You must be the one person i have ever come across who has a lower opinion of his fellow humanity and their motivations than i have.



 :hattip

Sadly, it comes from having spent the best part of eight years studying so hard in a world so fast paced  it affected my physical and mental health, only to find the government knowingly turned a blind eye to the planting of enemies of our state into those very areas allowing them to learn how to abuse those technologies I had studied to save life, turning it instead to the e extinction of life.



Knowing they had done this made me feel slightly better at taking the queen's government's money for becoming a better abuser of those technologies as weapons of war than those who paid handsomely to infiltrate us.



But as you say, it left me cynical.as hell. But having seen what I have seen, I quite honestly doubt anyone, anywhere, could not share my opinions of those who ultimately handed over the cash that paid my salary from those days.



I'm glad I'm out of it. I have little doubt it is ongoing, my nephew took over where I left off .... I have not spoken to.him in years....

[Thomas]

Can you catch the coronavirus twice? We don't know yet



We don't have enough evidence yet to know if recovering from covid-19 induces immunity, or whether any immunity would give long-lasting protection against the coronavirus



SAY you have caught covid-19 and recovered – are you now immune for life, or could you catch it again? We just don't know yet.



In February, reports emerged of a woman in Japan who had been given the all-clear after having covid-19 but then tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus a second time. There have also been reports of a man in Japan testing positive after being given the all-clear, and anecdotal cases of second positives have emerged from China, too.



This has raised fears that people may not develop immunity to the virus. This would mean that, until we have an effective vaccine, we could all experience repeated rounds of infection.



But the science is still uncertain. "There is some anecdotal evidence of reinfections, but we really don't know," says Ira Longini at the University of Florida. It may be that the tests used were unreliable, which is a problem with tests for other respiratory viruses, says Jeffrey Shaman at Columbia University in New York.



Early signs from small animal experiments are reassuring. A team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing exposed four rhesus macaques to the virus. A week later, all four were ill with covid-19-like symptoms and had high virus loads. Two weeks later, the macaques had recovered and were confirmed to have antibodies to the virus in their bloodstream.



"You can be infected with other coronaviruses over and over. We don't know if that's true for this virus"



The researchers then tried to reinfect two of them but failed, which suggests the animals were immune (bioRxiv, doi.org/ggn8r8). "That finding is very encouraging, as it suggests that it is possible to induce protective immunity against the virus," says Alfredo Garzino-Demo at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.



But that doesn't necessarily mean long-term immunity. There are other coronaviruses circulating among humans and although they induce immunity, this doesn't last. "Some other viruses in the coronavirus family, such as those that cause common colds, tend to induce immunity that is relatively short-lived, at around three months," says Peter Openshaw at Imperial College London.



"Because [the virus] is so new, we do not yet know how long any protection generated through infection will last. We urgently need more research looking at the immune responses of people who have recovered from infection to be sure," says Openshaw.



Other immunologists agree. "Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is not yet well understood and we do not know how protective the antibody response will be in the long-term," says Erica Bickerton at the Pirbright Institute in the UK.

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Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24532754-600-can-you-catch-the-coronavirus-twice-we-dont-know-yet/#ixzz6Hmi4Jrsl">https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... z6Hmi4Jrsl">https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24532754-600-can-you-catch-the-coronavirus-twice-we-dont-know-yet/#ixzz6Hmi4Jrsl

[Thomas]

UK app aims to help researchers track spread of coronavirus

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UK researchers have launched an app to help track the spread of Covid-19 and explore who is most at risk from the disease in an attempt to better understand the pandemic.



The free Covid Symptom Tracker app asks users to fill in data including age, sex and postcode as well as questions on existing medical conditions, such as heart disease, asthma and diabetes and whether users take drugs such as immunosuppressants or ibuprofen or use wheelchairs.



The app then asks participants to take one minute a day to report on whether they feel healthy and, if not, to answer questions on a wide range of symptoms, from coughs and fever to fatigue, diarrhoea and confusion.

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The team behind the app – a collaboration between researchers at King's College London and Guy's and St Thomas' hospitals as well as the health data science company ZOE – hope it will provide real-time information on how the disease is spreading in the UK, including hotspots.



"The concept is it is an early warning radar device because we are asking about non-classical symptoms as well, because many people are reporting non-persistent cough, or feeling unwell or a strange feeling of a lack of taste, or chest tightness that aren't in the classical list but if we see it across the country in clusters we know they are probably real [symptoms of Covid-19]," said Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, who is leading the work.

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"Speaking to clinicians in the hospital, especially in the elderly you get very different symptoms to the young so this idea there is only two types of symptoms – fever and long-term cough – is wrong. It can occur in many different ways," he added.

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/24/uk-app-aims-to-help-researchers-track-spread-of-coronavirus">https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... oronavirus">https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/24/uk-app-aims-to-help-researchers-track-spread-of-coronavirus

[Thomas]

Interesting find Thomas, I wasn't aware of that. I think we can guarantee the one group NOT given the real results of that will be the users ...

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John i have to say , your cynicism always makes me smile. You must be the one person i have ever come across who has a lower opinion of his fellow humanity and their motivations than i have.



 :hattip

[johnofgwent]

Interesting find Thomas, I wasn't aware of that. I think we can guarantee the one group NOT given the real results of that will be the users ...

[Thomas]

I am starting to see articles in what I shall call the less sensationalist press suggesting that a blood test kit using technologies similar to those I researched back in 1979, but now targeted at viral antigen antibodies rather than the enzyme markers I was interested in, is now available and likely to be mass produced and distributed shortly.



The idea being put about is that this disease was around far earlier, has already hit far more people who hardly noticed it.



If this is the case, then coupling this with other articles suggesting the virus has a remarkably LOW degree of mutation - suggesting an inability to maximise incorporation of host cell surface glycoprotein fragments into its own coating which is how other flu strains fool you and hit you more than once, then it really is the case that this 'ninsense' will be over for many a LOT sooner.



Because a globally accepted test that you've had the disease and cant get it again means all those who HAVE had it can get back to normal and the ones that are yet to be infected can look forward to a vaccine a bloody sight quicker.



Of course, this will need a national registration scheme the health nazis will have orgasms over, and we might have to go back to shooting on sight any found to be abusing the 'I'm not at risk'  awards...

I see they have developed an app for those who have the symptoms so they can report it and update how they feel each day and map where the outbreaks are john?



https://covid.joinzoe.com/">https://covid.joinzoe.com/

[Thomas]

No cod Scots, Thomas? I feel slighted. There could have been at least a Yer bum's oot the windae...

Does the dog concern itself with the opinions of the flea on its back? :roll: