Tracking mobile phones for NHS

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papasmurf

#16
April 15, 2020, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21347 time=1586944583 user_id=59
Yes, but you said software.


Here we go again. FFS.  I do not wish to write a novel everytime I post.

It is bleeding obvious you need hardware for the software to be there.

Hardwear in fabrics is fact of life now.

Arirang TV, (South Korea), did a long program about it in their regular business/technology spot months ago.
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Scott777

#15
April 15, 2020, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=21334 time=1586940960 user_id=89
I put it expecting people to know that if hardware can be put in software is a given.


Yes, but you said software.
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papasmurf

#14
April 15, 2020, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21333 time=1586940661 user_id=59
I am aware, being an applications developer, but the way you put it was as if software can be put into the fabric.


I put it expecting people to know that if hardware can be put in software is a given.
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Scott777

#13
April 15, 2020, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=21332 time=1586938495 user_id=89
If the hardware can be put in clothes the software can be as well.


I am aware, being an applications developer, but the way you put it was as if software can be put into the fabric.
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papasmurf

#12
April 15, 2020, 09:14:55 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21320 time=1586897979 user_id=59
Ok,I see your point, technology in clothes, but not the software.


If the hardware can be put in clothes the software can be as well.
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Scott777

#11
April 14, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=21261 time=1586853833 user_id=89
It is technically possible:-



https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your-clothes-a-milestone-for-wearable-electronics/">https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your- ... ectronics/">https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your-clothes-a-milestone-for-wearable-electronics/


Ok,I see your point, technology in clothes, but not the software.
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Borchester

#10
April 14, 2020, 09:52:16 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21257 time=1586853652 user_id=59
Software installed in my clothes?   :lol:



I don't own a car.



Who assumed there's a conspiracy?  The assumption would be that there are no conspiracies.


There was an episode of The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers where the US Drug Agency install a device in Fat Freddie's trousers that can smell marijuana. So all the agents are sitting around the receiver hoping to catch a whiff of Mary Jane and bust our hero as a result, except that Fat Freddie goes out for a Mexican dinner instead and lets out a tremendous.....



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papasmurf

#9
April 14, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21257 time=1586853652 user_id=59
Software installed in my clothes?   :lol:




It is technically possible:-



https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your-clothes-a-milestone-for-wearable-electronics/">https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your- ... ectronics/">https://news.osu.edu/computers-in-your-clothes-a-milestone-for-wearable-electronics/
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Scott777

#8
April 14, 2020, 09:40:52 AM
Quote from: Javert post_id=21247 time=1586848385 user_id=64
How do you know that such software is not already on your phone secretly and/or implanted in your car, your clothes etc.  



If you want to assume everything is a conspiracy you can then just assume whatever you like.  


Software installed in my clothes?   :lol:



I don't own a car.



Who assumed there's a conspiracy?  The assumption would be that there are no conspiracies.
Those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to craftily circumvent the intellect of men.  Niccolò Machiavelli.

Javert

#7
April 14, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: Scott777 post_id=21245 time=1586813873 user_id=59
Have you heard of manufactured consent?



How do you know that 'uninstalling' it would stop every part of it working?


How do you know that such software is not already on your phone secretly and/or implanted in your car, your clothes etc.  



If you want to assume everything is a conspiracy you can then just assume whatever you like.  



Generally the source code of these devices is reverse engineered by hacker groups who will sound the alert if they are doing something untoward, and the danger is actually more in how secure the data is (and how well it's anonymised if required) once it's stored on central cloud servers.  Again, if you want to go for any random conspiracy theory you can assume these hacker groups are all plants by the government etc etc until you go mad.  



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Scott777

#6
April 13, 2020, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: Javert post_id=21238 time=1586791271 user_id=64
As far as I know, nobody is proposing that this app would be mandatory, and it's in any case difficult to make it mandatory as there is no law obliging people to carry a phone around at all times in the first place.



Also, if people are not happy with the app, they can always uninstall it at any time.



It's also been stated that the source code for the app will be made publicly available, and the data collected will be opened up to independent verification to make sure that it's deleted after the pandemic is over.


Have you heard of manufactured consent?



How do you know that 'uninstalling' it would stop every part of it working?
Those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to craftily circumvent the intellect of men.  Niccolò Machiavelli.

Scott777

#5
April 13, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: "patman post" post_id=21225 time=1586782404 user_id=70
But I think it would be a useful tool in containing Covid-19...


It would also be a useful tool in helping along Covid-1984.  I've decided to switch off my bluetooth.  My yellow teeth are just fine.



 :ZIP:
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Javert

#4
April 13, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
As far as I know, nobody is proposing that this app would be mandatory, and it's in any case difficult to make it mandatory as there is no law obliging people to carry a phone around at all times in the first place.



Also, if people are not happy with the app, they can always uninstall it at any time.



It's also been stated that the source code for the app will be made publicly available, and the data collected will be opened up to independent verification to make sure that it's deleted after the pandemic is over.

patman post

#3
April 13, 2020, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: "patman post" post_id=21225 time=1586782404 user_id=70
 But I think it would be a useful tool in containing Covid-19...

I should have said could be a useful tool, as there would likely be the stupid, ignorant, or plainly malevolent clowns who's enter positive for the "fun" of it...
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papasmurf

#2
April 13, 2020, 02:00:23 PM
Such "big data" is extremely useful in emergency situations, and saves lives.
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