Are they trying to start again?

[T00ts]

I have volunteered to give blood so that they can do immunology tests on people who have tested positive or believed to have had the disease. It's part of a new programme and I'll give a sample next Wednesday.

Unfortunately, anonymised, so I still won't know 100% if I had it, unless someone gives me a nod on the quiet.

 :thup:  :hattip

[Barry]

I have volunteered to give blood so that they can do immunology tests on people who have tested positive or believed to have had the disease. It's part of a new programme and I'll give a sample next Wednesday.

Unfortunately, anonymised, so I still won't know 100% if I had it, unless someone gives me a nod on the quiet.

[T00ts]

The problem is the excellent minds are not politicians or in Government.

They don't need to be politicians or in government. They simply need to be recognised by those determined to retain the closed shop at the top.

[papasmurf]

 We have excellent minds in this country - why are they never in a position to lead?

The problem is the excellent minds are not politicians or in Government.

[T00ts]

So I guess they are going to start again. Test Track Trace is the new slogan. Having failed to be prepared to take this action properly last time and giving up in favour of the batty notion of herd immunity, we are now trying to get it right a second time.



I am fast losing faith. It doesn't bode well for our ability to make waves once we complete our departure from the EU. We have excellent minds in this country - why are they never in a position to lead?

[Borchester]

If we manage to reduce and eventually eliminate death and suffering from covid-19, then economic disaster is a price worth paying.

No it bloody well isn't.



I am 73 and as such am in the most at risk group, but if it is a question of either seeing the grandchildren launched and with secure jobs and a few old cotton tops who are likely to pop their clogs sometime soon anyway, then it should be a case of goodbye granddad, no one lives forever.

[DeppityDawg]

If we manage to reduce and eventually eliminate death and suffering from covid-19, then economic disaster is a price worth paying.

Quite apart from anything else, the UKs handling of this crises has been abysmal. But in any case, the argument isn't just about covid-19 and sweet little liberal platitudes. Youve no idea how much suffering and lost lives an economic disaster on the scale of the 1930s will cause, and neither has anyone else. That one led to a world war that killed upwards of 50 million.



You cannot simply stop society in its tracks for months on end, bring the whole world economy to a standstill, with no clear exit strategy, and then expect there to be no serious consequences. There will be a huge fall out from all this. You are unlikely to be one of those worst affected, good for you Quack quack. But the fall out for those already in economic difficulty, those who will have to face the consequences of inevitable and large cut backs to public services, and not least those not in the Western bubble, subsisting in poorer developing economies across the globe, will be harsh. I think the "cure" will end up causing more deaths and far more suffering than the disease. If you think that's a price worth paying, fine, sing along to the tune. Sorry, I don't think it's a price worth paying, so don't expect me to sing along with you.

[papasmurf]

Africa hasn't been hit yet

Given the difficulty of getting any reliable information I don't thnk anyone has a true picture yet.

[cromwell]

Do you really believe that?

Once the virus has run its course we can get on with life. It will be just another virus which does the rounds every year. There might never be a vaccine.

Economic disaster kills millions. It is not a price worth paying.

Well the Spanish Flu killed more people than WW1,was either price worth paying?

There's so much not known about this virus,when you say does the rounds they are saying there may be subsequent waves,given how it is easily spread and how lethal its potential where would the numbers be without the lockdown or a vaccine? What do we do accept large numbers of deaths,and it's not just the old is it.



Africa hasn't been hit yet attributed to the fact that its people don't go swanning off halfway round the globe on jollies,though the health system is poor......have you seen the predictions for deaths when it does get there,and it will?

[papasmurf]

Do you really believe that?

Once the virus has run its course we can get on with life. It will be just another virus which does the rounds every year. There might never be a vaccine.

Economic disaster kills millions. It is not a price worth paying.

If you were one of those more of less guaranteed to cark it (me), if you catch it, you might have different persective.

[Barry]

If we manage to reduce and eventually eliminate death and suffering from covid-19, then economic disaster is a price worth paying.

Do you really believe that?

Once the virus has run its course we can get on with life. It will be just another virus which does the rounds every year. There might never be a vaccine.

Economic disaster kills millions. It is not a price worth paying.

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

The scale of the economic disaster about to unfold hasn't yet sunk in with most people, except to businesses and a few ministers. N'er mind. It will catch up with all of us soon enough. By then mind, it will be far too late. If it isn't already.

If we manage to reduce and eventually eliminate death and suffering from covid-19, then economic disaster is a price worth paying.

[Borchester]

What did you have for tea? (NOT a trick question)....evidence please...not the gravy stain on your shirt...my other house is a shed...ffs shoot me someone  ::

 

[cromwell]

Thanks Thomas. It says what I think we've both been saying for the last fortnight. Tbf this is a once in a lifetime event, and I think people have their attention focused elsewhere for obvious reason. But most simply do not have the slightest idea yet of the disaster that's going to descend on us in the next 6 months.



Figures starting to come out that a staggering 17 million Americans registered as unemployed in the last 3 weeks alone    Theres simply no precedent for this.

Fair point but  I think many do but the only plus side is that this isn't the 1930's and I don't expect the world will let it go that way,tbf some people were dismissing the effects of this virus so think on the consequences if the actions that needed to be taken hadn't.

[DeppityDawg]

Sorry DD, but the temptation is nigh on irresistible  

What did you have for tea? (NOT a trick question)....evidence please...not the gravy stain on your shirt...my other house is a shed...ffs shoot me someone  ::