'Permanent Lockdown' (Freedom to Roam)

[papasmurf]

@T00ts



With existing laws; which 75% of the police surveyed think are good enough.

100% of people who have trouble with "pikeys" moving on to land near them do not think the laws are good enough.

[Borg Refinery]

@T00ts



With existing laws; which 75% of the police surveyed think are good enough.



The by-laws intro'd in Scotland for certain estates seem to work, also what you describe is prohibited under their law by default anyway ('respecting the land' and not littering).

[papasmurf]

Re the trespass policy;



"..enabling the police to confiscate the homes of "anyone whom they suspect to be trespassing on land with the purpose of residing on it""

What is wrong with that?

[T00ts]

"Throughout the history of these isles, exclusion from the land has been a major source of social conflict. It remains so today. Last month, Boris Johnson extolled the "ancient, inalienable right of free-born people of the United Kingdom". But before the pandemic began, his government proposed to criminalise trespass in England and Wales. This is the opposite policy to Scotland's, where there is now a comprehensive right to roam."



https://www.monbiot.com/2020/04/24/permanent-lockdown/">https://www.monbiot.com/2020/04/24/permanent-lockdown/#



92% of land is privately owned in England.



Re the trespass policy;



"..enabling the police to confiscate the homes of "anyone whom they suspect to be trespassing on land with the purpose of residing on it""





https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ple-rights">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights



Contrast & compare;



What is it?

Most land in Scotland is owned by very few people, so the Scottish Access Rights basically give you the right to access that land in Scotland for recreational and educational purposes, be it cycling, running, walking or pitching a tent. There are only a few exclusions, like the curtilage of buildings and farmyards, quarries, railway property and airfields. There are three key principles that are very important to mention: You have to respect the interests of other people, care for the environment and take responsibility for your own actions.



https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom-to-roam-in-scotland-everything-you-need-to-know/">https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom ... d-to-know/">https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom-to-roam-in-scotland-everything-you-need-to-know/

So how would you deter anyone camping on your local park say, filling it with mountains of rubbish in just a few days, removal of which Council tax payers have to fund, while causing general mayhem in the local area?

[Borg Refinery]

"Throughout the history of these isles, exclusion from the land has been a major source of social conflict. It remains so today. Last month, Boris Johnson extolled the "ancient, inalienable right of free-born people of the United Kingdom". But before the pandemic began, his government proposed to criminalise trespass in England and Wales. This is the opposite policy to Scotland's, where there is now a comprehensive right to roam."



https://www.monbiot.com/2020/04/24/permanent-lockdown/">https://www.monbiot.com/2020/04/24/permanent-lockdown/#



92% of land is privately owned in England.



Re the trespass policy;



"..enabling the police to confiscate the homes of "anyone whom they suspect to be trespassing on land with the purpose of residing on it""

...

Even the police oppose this legislative cleansing: 75% of police forces and police commissioners believe that existing powers are sufficient to address any harmful behaviour by members of these groups. The government's sweeping proposals would amount to collective punishment. This is Conservatism at its cruellest and meanest.



But when you examine the proposals more closely, you begin to realise that they don't stop at the persecution of travelling peoples. The way the questions are framed could enable the government to go much further than the official purpose of the consultation, potentially launching one of the most severe restrictions on general freedom in the modern era.



The consultation is everything such exercises are not supposed to be. It is confusing and heavily slanted. It is pitched in such a way that, however you might answer the questions, you are forced to agree with a profoundly illiberal idea.



For example, the first question asks: "To what extent do you agree or disagree that knowingly entering land without the landowner's permission should only be made a criminal offence if it is for the purpose of residing on it?"It's a perfect trap. If you agree, you consent to the curtailment of the traditional rights and lives of Roma and Travellers. If you disagree, you consent to the criminalisation of something much wider, which, throughout English history has been a civil matter: trespass on land."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ple-rights">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/15/tresspass-trap-law-land-travelling-people-rights



Contrast & compare;



What is it?

Most land in Scotland is owned by very few people, so the Scottish Access Rights basically give you the right to access that land in Scotland for recreational and educational purposes, be it cycling, running, walking or pitching a tent. There are only a few exclusions, like the curtilage of buildings and farmyards, quarries, railway property and airfields. There are three key principles that are very important to mention: You have to respect the interests of other people, care for the environment and take responsibility for your own actions.



https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom-to-roam-in-scotland-everything-you-need-to-know/">https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom ... d-to-know/">https://www.apidura.com/journal/freedom-to-roam-in-scotland-everything-you-need-to-know/