The "new normal"

[Javert]

Well it might not be gone anytime soon



Well you've told us on many occasions what a good idea ID cards are.....hows that for govt control?

Why does battling a pandemic have to be about govt control it's about good sense.

TBH the idea that the whole world has lost the sense of reality about this virus from regimes like China,Russia to the middle east and the west and it's all overblown......frankly I think many who see it that way on here are the crackpots. :-P  :-P  :-P

To be fair there is crackpottery on both directions a little bit.  



On the one hand you have rules that people cannot move to self isolate in their second home which make no scientific difference or sense but pander to the Royston Vasey in us all, and the police setting up roadblocks on the road to Brighton even after the government said people could drive there.



On the other hand you have some parents saying they will not send their kids back to school until September no matter what the scientists say, even though I suspect it will become more and more clear that their kids are at more danger of a car accident on the way to school.  So far one out of 3 million children who was not already very ill died from CV19 whereas about 50 children are killed every year in road accidents.

[johnofgwent]

The Guardian is the Daily Mail for liberals. 2 articles from it today haven't missed the opportunity to push to same tired, victim group agenda.



This is the new normal Barry. Over reaction, panic and fear to everything that might present even the smallest risk. Children having to play inside a hula hoop, people wearing breathing apparatus in the street, the economy shut down and any kind of social life frowned upon. Better get used to this kind of shite. This time it's "Coronavirus", but you can bet.your boots our pathetic society will soon find something else to panic over now. That's even before every nutter terrorist group in creation has now learned how simple it is to cripple modern society. Utterly utterly fecking sick of this shite now. As soon as the pubs open, I'm going to get pissed out of my head, and smoke likes it's going out of fashion. With a bit of luck I'll be fecking dead before the next dark shadow to panic the whole western world comes around.

Pubs will be forced to.operate at one third their normal capacity



Drinkers unable to drink for 3 should piss off and leave it to you and me ...

[Barry]

We won't be battling the pandemic when the new normal come in. It will have abated. Statisticians reckon there will be 0 deaths in the UK on a day in July.



If there had been ID cards, there would have been no "Windrush" problem.

If you oppose ID cards, do you also oppose photos on driving licences, or passports. Should be have open borders with no control?

Yes, I'm in favour of ID cards, because the lack of them shows a lack of government control, whereas the requirement to have one shows that there is some control on who is in the country.



Papasmurf, who has no faith in government, wants vaccination made compulsory. How would that be possible without an ID card - or perhaps he would like everyone chipped?

[cromwell]

This is not about the Guardian. The link was to give a little context.

It's about the new normal, i.e. how life will be when the infection has gone

Well it might not be gone anytime soon

and whether the government will try to still use it to manipulate and control us.

Well you've told us on many occasions what a good idea ID cards are.....hows that for govt control?

Why does battling a pandemic have to be about govt control it's about good sense.

TBH the idea that the whole world has lost the sense of reality about this virus from regimes like China,Russia to the middle east and the west and it's all overblown......frankly I think many who see it that way on here are the crackpots. :-P  :-P  :-P

[Barry]

This is not about the Guardian. The link was to give a little context.

It's about the new normal, i.e. how life will be when the infection has gone and whether the government will try to still use it to manipulate and control us.

[Borg Refinery]

...

Carole Cadwalladr

@carolecadwalla

·

12 Apr

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response">https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-response">https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response

@Guardian

 ..has seen documents showing govt using Peter Thiel's Palantir's & NHS patient data to model 'herd immunity' week after policy supposedly dropped





John Banks

@johnban81940041

·

12 Apr

Read to the end Carole. "The Scott Trust, the ultimate owner of the Guardian, is the sole investor in GMG Ventures, which is a minority shareholder in Faculty.".

It turns out you were working for them all along. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249435839614124035">https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwal ... 9614124035">https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249435839614124035

Carole Cadwalladr

@carolecadwalla

A couple more points. GMG Ventures, the Guardian's venture arm, invested in Faculty back in November. No, I don't know why, you'll have to ask them. It certainly hasn't stopped the reporting though.

@PaulLewis's investigations team doing stellar job:

Telegraph article:

Guardian venture arm invests millions in terrorist tracking AI start-up



Faculty is an applied artificial intelligence company CREDIT:  ANDRIY ONUFRIYENKO



5 DECEMBER 2019 • 12:07PM



The Guardian's venture capital arm has taken a slice of a British artificial intelligence start-up that has worked with the Home Office to hunt down terrorist videos, The Telegraph can reveal.



GMG Ventures, the Guardian's venture capital business that was set up in 2017, has invested in London AI start-up Faculty as part of an £8m funding round.



Faculty has raised the new funds for its technology that has been used by the Home Office to comb through terrorist videos including ISIS clips.



It already has high profile backers including Local Globe, the fund launched by LoveFilm co-founder Saul Klein, and Jaan Tallinn, one of Skype's founding engineers.



Filings on Companies House suggest it completed its latest funding round in November, raising £8m so far. The filings state GMG Ventures and Local Globe led the new funding round. Analyst firm Beauhurst suggested the round gave Faculty a valuation of almost £80m

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/11/29/home-office-partner-faculty-raises-fresh-cash-investors-pile/">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... tors-pile/">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/11/29/home-office-partner-faculty-raises-fresh-cash-investors-pile/

[Borg Refinery]

That's what I meant. Its a confirmation bias comic for pandering liberals. For example women who believe the entire male population of the planet are part of an enormous plot to subjugate them, that the EU is a benevolent organisation that invented penicillin and has kept the peace since ww2, and that unless all transport is replaced by bicycles and moon hoppers by a week on Wednesday, the entire planet will explode. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Guardians world view is a Nazi of course, or should be the object of a harmless joke involving acid being thrown in their face.

C&p'd from elsewhere;


 

"How the UK Security Services neutralised the country's leading liberal newspaper"



https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/amp/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article ... paper/amp/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/amp/



(puts on tinfoil hat) 



Look, the Grauny has gone downhill a lot recently. It's got so many pieces sticking up for the insanely stupid stuff the govt has been doing, it's almost unreal.



A guardian journo himself posted about sec service cooping



https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/rusbridger-how-no-journalists-sources-are-now-safe-joining-ipso-and-why-he-would-have-kept-news/">https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/rusbridg ... kept-news/">https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/rusbridger-how-no-journalists-sources-are-now-safe-joining-ipso-and-why-he-would-have-kept-news/



Also related, and interesting seeming:



https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/jul/28/british-journalist-im-being-followed-in-london-by-teams-of-stalkers">https://www.theguardian.com/media/green ... f-stalkers">https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/jul/28/british-journalist-im-being-followed-in-london-by-teams-of-stalkers



https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/five-reasons-why-we-don-t-have-free-and-independent-press-in-uk-and-what-we-can-do-about/">https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... -do-about/">https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/five-reasons-why-we-don-t-have-free-and-independent-press-in-uk-and-what-we-can-do-about/



https://anniemachon.ch/operation-shadower-illegal-mi5-bugging-of-left-wing-uk-journalist">https://anniemachon.ch/operation-shadow ... journalist">https://anniemachon.ch/operation-shadower-illegal-mi5-bugging-of-left-wing-uk-journalist



https://www.eurotrib.com/story/2018/5/2/852/78177">https://www.eurotrib.com/story/2018/5/2/852/78177

As papa then pointed out; they accepted advertising from the likes of Unum years back.



There's other stuff too..

[DeppityDawg]

Most of the Guardian articles posted on this forum are opinion pieces rather than the actual news stories.



Many newspapers will have a wide range of opinion articles which by definition are the opinion of the write rather than the factual news.

That's what I meant. Its a confirmation bias comic for pandering liberals. For example women who believe the entire male population of the planet are part of an enormous plot to subjugate them, that the EU is a benevolent organisation that invented penicillin and has kept the peace since ww2, and that unless all transport is replaced by bicycles and moon hoppers by a week on Wednesday, the entire planet will explode. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Guardians world view is a Nazi of course, or should be the object of a harmless joke involving acid being thrown in their face.

[Barry]

In the Middle Ages a third of the country went down with the Black Death. A chunk of the remainder decided it was because of their sins and went beating the crap out of themselves. It did not do any good but it is pretty certain that the flagellates felt pretty damned pleased with themselves.

Virtue signalling started in the 14th century? I'm sure someone will find something earlier. Possibly our resident amateur philosopher.



One concern of mine is that governments love a bit of power and by their nature, MPs were voted into power.

I think they will be reluctant to fully relinquish their current controls and will use the opportunity to restrict our freedoms in the name of public health. As the lockdown is relaxed they will want to keep some controls, especially those digitally based ones which provide them with extra information.

[Borchester]

I don't mind all of us being told what to do if we're being told to do the right thing.



The paradox of so-called libertarianism is that too often being free to do what one likes involves stopping someone else from doing what they like.

In the Middle Ages a third of the country went down with the Black Death. A chunk of the remainder decided it was because of their sins and went beating the crap out of themselves. It did not do any good but it is pretty certain that the flagellates felt pretty damned pleased with themselves.

[papasmurf]

I don't mind all of us being told what to do if we're being told to do the right thing.

If it comes from a politician few people will believe it is the right thing.

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

I imagine that the new normal will be pretty much like the old normal. Those who like being told what to do will continue to do as they are told while the rest of us will quietly get on with our lives.

I don't mind all of us being told what to do if we're being told to do the right thing.



The paradox of so-called libertarianism is that too often being free to do what one likes involves stopping someone else from doing what they like.

[Borchester]

I keep hearing this phrase all over the place.

The new normal will be...



We don't need a new normal or a changed normal, we just need the freedom to act as we wish within the law. We need to get back to normal, not a different normal, because that wouldn't be normal, would it?



Is this phrase a harbinger of things to come? Perhaps mandatory vaccinations will be part of someone's idea of the new normal.



Not for Australia, apparently.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/a-new-normal-instead-australia-looks-like-it-could-return-to-business-as-usual-after-the-pandemic">//https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/a-new-normal-instead-australia-looks-like-it-could-return-to-business-as-usual-after-the-pandemic

I imagine that the new normal will be pretty much like the old normal. Those who like being told what to do will continue to do as they are told while the rest of us will quietly get on with our lives.

[Javert]

Most of the Guardian articles posted on this forum are opinion pieces rather than the actual news stories.



Many newspapers will have a wide range of opinion articles which by definition are the opinion of the write rather than the factual news.

[DeppityDawg]

I keep hearing this phrase all over the place.

The new normal will be...



We don't need a new normal or a changed normal, we just need the freedom to act as we wish within the law. We need to get back to normal, not a different normal, because that wouldn't be normal, would it?



Is this phrase a harbinger of things to come? Perhaps mandatory vaccinations will be part of someone's idea of the new normal.



Not for Australia, apparently.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/a-new-normal-instead-australia-looks-like-it-could-return-to-business-as-usual-after-the-pandemic">//https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/a-new-normal-instead-australia-looks-like-it-could-return-to-business-as-usual-after-the-pandemic

The Guardian is the Daily Mail for liberals. 2 articles from it today haven't missed the opportunity to push to same tired, victim group agenda.



This is the new normal Barry. Over reaction, panic and fear to everything that might present even the smallest risk. Children having to play inside a hula hoop, people wearing breathing apparatus in the street, the economy shut down and any kind of social life frowned upon. Better get used to this kind of shite. This time it's "Coronavirus", but you can bet.your boots our pathetic society will soon find something else to panic over now. That's even before every nutter terrorist group in creation has now learned how simple it is to cripple modern society. Utterly utterly fecking sick of this shite now. As soon as the pubs open, I'm going to get pissed out of my head, and smoke likes it's going out of fashion. With a bit of luck I'll be fecking dead before the next dark shadow to panic the whole western world comes around.