Cummings Breaks the Rules.

[B0ycey]

The place is full of pinko commies and revolutionaries now.

There is a specter haunting this forum - the specter of Communism.



You are a user who is fully aware of class distinction more than most - along with its pitfalls. Search your feelings. You know Marx is right.

[papasmurf]

. Even Smurf looks respectable these days  ::

I have never looked respectable. A few years ago, my wife went shopping in Quimper, Brittany, it was a hot day and I sat on a low wall to wait for her and took my Breton "Casquet" off because of the heat. I must have dozed off for a few minutes, when I woke up passers by had put enough money in my hat for my wife and I to have four drinks each.

[DeppityDawg]

Boysie, the revolution is always going to take a generation or two.



I spent many happy afternoons march round Trafalgar and Grosvenor  squares shouting whatever bollocks was fashionable at the time. And now I am pissed off because the FTS 100 has started to climb and I missed out

I remember coming back from Cyprus mid 80s, getting diverted into Greenham Common because of fog at Brize. Feck me, it made me think hey, I'll take 3rd Shock Army over the German border any day after seeing the clip of that mass of unwashed humanity outside the base. I don't know if you can remember Giant Haystacks, but think that in a kaftan and you get the general idea  ::  ::  ::



Anyway, all you reactionary auld Tories on here, your day has come. The place is full of pinko commies and revolutionaries now. Even Smurf looks respectable these days  ::

[Borg Refinery]

Whenever the bourgeoisie get you down and revisionism's looking blue, get into the kitchen, get out your pans, and cook a little dish or two

[Borchester]

I am not aware whether a poll checker has been done since the "Cummings affair" so I question your figures, but I do know the Tories approval rating is negative 2. Which isn't a major issue as we are years away from an election but a significant factor if people don't like you in terms of accepting your authority. And years of social media backlash will take significance to rectify.



As for Red Flag, Starmer is new Labour. There isn't really a socialist movement in politics today. You kind of had it with Corbyn, but I suspect the closest thing to a socialist in politics with any form of authority is Long-Bailey. It is going to take a generation or two for real significance to occur in Labour to return their true values, unless hardship happens and poverty requires an FDR type in power to execute a new deal.

Boysie, the revolution is always going to take a generation or two.



I spent many happy afternoons march round Trafalgar and Grosvenor  squares shouting whatever bollocks was fashionable at the time. And now I am pissed off because the FTS 100 has started to climb and I missed out. And my daughter, one time branch secretary of her uni Socialist Worker party, is moaning because she is still paying her cleaner although the latter has not be round for weeks and gobbles up all the chocolate biscuits when she does.



The matter was addressed by Karl Marx in his famous pamphlet entitled "Oh F@@@, why do the Massed Ranks of the Proletariat always end up as working class Tories with semis in Essex?" like many of the points Charlie raised, he did not have an answer.

[B0ycey]

Blimey Boysie, you are right. The Tory approval rating is only 44% while the brothers and sisters are on a whopping 38%



At this rate the red flag will be flying over Buck House by the weekend



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOLSslKvxU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOLSslKvxU

I am not aware whether a poll checker has been done since the "Cummings affair" so I question your figures, but I do know the Tories approval rating is negative 2. Which isn't a major issue as we are years away from an election but a significant factor if people don't like you in terms of accepting your authority. And years of social media backlash will take significance to rectify.



As for Red Flag, Starmer is new Labour. There isn't really a socialist movement in politics today. You kind of had it with Corbyn, but I suspect the closest thing to a socialist in politics with any form of authority is Long-Bailey. It is going to take a generation or two for real significance to occur in Labour to return their true values, unless hardship happens and poverty requires an FDR type in power to execute a new deal.

[Borchester]

That is a confident statement considering the damage he has done in terms of approval ratings, whereas no other aide could have survived such a backlash.



If Johnson hasn't replaced him yet, and has authorised such a cover up, then there must be an alternative motive of such importance where no sandal could sack him. In fact, I am hoping for something significant to arise to see how far they can go at maintaining the BS narrative just for the amusement value. I haven't laughed so much at something like I did when Goves said he too tests his eyesight whilst drivingin order to drive. I wonder if during PM questions at the chair today whether anyone asks him that as opticians are currently closed, whether driving to test your eyesight was classed as an essential journey at Easter.

Blimey Boysie, you are right. The Tory approval rating is only 44% while the brothers and sisters are on a whopping 38%



At this rate the red flag will be flying over Buck House by the weekend



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOLSslKvxU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOLSslKvxU

[johnofgwent]

You appear not to believe the first two principles:

1. Selflessness

Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.



2. Integrity

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.



Cummings was in no more of a difficult situation than many thousands of others. If he panicked and put himself and his family over his responsibilities, it appears to lessen his ability and credibility to do his job. Now he's been caught out lying about a blog. I suggest it's now too late for an apology to put things right.

Johnson's reputation as a jolly womanising lying clown endeared him to voters. But his defence of Cummings appears to be draining public support for Johnson and his government's Covid strategy.

There is no lynch mob. There is justifiable outrage from people who obeyed instructions and are now being told they don't care as much for their loved ones as Cummings does for his if they didn't break the rules to care for them...

this has got to be a first. I actually agree with you particularly the point you make that if he "panicked" then it reduces his credibility to do his job.



and yes, some people seem a little unable to dintinguish between a bunch of press shitheads out for somethign to sell their papers and the people (as listed on the BBC yesterday) who thought themselves forced to look after their kids while they were infected themselves because they had no option because the government instructions were to stay put.



Over on arse book in the group for this part of town, the local tory shithead activist is trying to defuse the outcry from quite a few people who state categorically the would have sought to do things differently had they known what cummings did was within both the law and the guidelines as boris is now trying to say



As I stated on here and on there, in the first week of the lockdown the asinine stupidity of the demands made by boris and dickhead drakeford came home with a bang when sarah's job as a classroom assistant and dinner lady was deemed key enough for her to be sent to help at a hub school ten miles away from her home, but the same arse holes that set that also said that because she was only part time, she was not ENOUGH of a key worker to have a claim on the school "creche" places available to children of key workers.



So sarah had to choose between abandoning a nine year old alone in a house for eight hours, or calling on us to violate our self isolation by reason of being vulnerable as defined at the time but strangely later not so). I made a very loud stink about this to this forum, arsebook, MP MP and all my AM's and not one of the people paid three times my take home to "represent" me even acknowledged my communication.



Yes, MY take on this was that the law was an ass and the guidance more so, as I was forced to disregard both to prevent my grand daughter being taken into care by vitriolic bar steward social service (nope, can't use the word) who have been trying to make trouble for sarah from day one. what I was NOT remotely interested in doing was pretending i was acting in the letter or spirit of the law and guidance (as effing gething tried when he was caught picnicking) nor was i interested in trying on cumming's "it doesnlt apply to me, I'm not a pleb" line.

[B0ycey]

Boris will no doubt declare his full support for Dozy Dom and then sack the Krazy Kiwi next time he screws up, which will probably be sometime soon.

That is a confident statement considering the damage he has done in terms of approval ratings, whereas no other aide could have survived such a backlash.



If Johnson hasn't replaced him yet, and has authorised such a cover up, then there must be an alternative motive of such importance where no sandal could sack him. In fact, I am hoping for something significant to arise to see how far they can go at maintaining the BS narrative just for the amusement value. I haven't laughed so much at something like I did when Goves said he too tests his eyesight whilst driving in order to see if he can drive. I wonder if during PM questions at the chair today whether anyone asks him that as opticians are currently closed, whether driving to test your eyesight was classed as an essential journey at Easter.

[T00ts]

I understand what you are all saying of course but it really riles me that this has been blown up into such a storm. It can't be right. I have little sympathy with Cummings per se, after all I have obeyed all the rules to the point of madness, but I still feel that this is not about his trip, this is a vendetta that has been ongoing since BJ became leader of the Conservatives. Once again I am disappointed that as a society we have sunk so low that mob rule is holding sway.



Who will be next? It doesn't bode well. What is wrong with a reprimand? After all it is deserved and he's probably already had it, but sacking? No, it's barbaric and I think all those in the driving seat of this should be ashamed of themselves.

[Borchester]

You appear not to believe the first two principles:

1. Selflessness

Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.



2. Integrity

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

I don't believe in Father Christmas either.



Cummings will probably get fired not because of his arrogance and contempt for public opinion, but because he lacks the mother wit to hide it. Boris will no doubt declare his full support for Dozy Dom and then sack the Krazy Kiwi next time he screws up, which will probably be sometime soon.

[patman post]

I simply don't agree that sacking him is justified in the circumstances. It's overkill. Those driving this have their own agenda and goodness me the lemmings are falling for it. They won't be satisfied, their determination to find something, anything, to damage the government over-rides common sense.

There is a significant number of government supporters (Brexit supporters among them) that believes the current situation is already damaging the government.

The longer Cummings is a main news story (it's even vying with government lock-down loosening info for coverage), the less trust the voters will have in this government...

[Borg Refinery]

Quite right too but.... it doesn't put a different spin on the braying mob or change what for him was a difficult situation which in the heat of the moment he acted as he saw fit. I still see no justification for the current lynch mob mentality.

What about the lynch mob mentality aimed at normal people who break the rules? Even in my local ASDA just for example - a silly example - you put one foot out of place and you attract a baying mob within seconds, it's beyind ridiculous.



The 'security' ejected some guy for the high crime of banging his fist on a random counter, presumably to voice frustration at the waiting time.



I feel very little empathy for this Dom idiot when he deliberately and flagrantly broke the law in countless ways with stuff like that going on.

[T00ts]

You appear not to believe the first two principles:

1. Selflessness

Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.



2. Integrity

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.



Cummings was in no more of a difficult situation than many thousands of others. If he panicked and put himself and his family over his responsibilities, it appears to lessen his ability and credibility to do his job. Now he's been caught out lying about a blog. I suggest it's now too late for an apology to put things right.

Johnson's reputation as a jolly womanising lying clown endeared him to voters. But his defence of Cummings appears to be draining public support for Johnson and his government's Covid strategy.

There is no lynch mob. There is justifiable outrage from people who obeyed instructions and are now being told they didn't care enough for their loved ones if they didn't break the rules to care for them...

I simply don't agree that sacking him is justified in the circumstances. It's overkill. Those driving this have their own agenda and goodness me the lemmings are falling for it. They won't be satisfied, their determination to find something, anything, to damage the government over-rides common sense.

[patman post]

Quite right too but.... it doesn't put a different spin on the braying mob or change what for him was a difficult situation which in the heat of the moment he acted as he saw fit. I still see no justification for the current lynch mob mentality.

You appear not to believe the first two principles:

1. Selflessness

Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.



2. Integrity

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.



Cummings was in no more of a difficult situation than many thousands of others. If he panicked and put himself and his family over his responsibilities, it appears to lessen his ability and credibility to do his job. Now he's been caught out lying about a blog. I suggest it's now too late for an apology to put things right.

Johnson's reputation as a jolly womanising lying clown endeared him to voters. But his defence of Cummings appears to be draining public support for Johnson and his government's Covid strategy.

There is no lynch mob. There is justifiable outrage from people who obeyed instructions and are now being told they don't care as much for their loved ones as Cummings does for his if they didn't break the rules to care for them...