Cummings Breaks the Rules.

[Borg Refinery]

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Ever read the lord of the rings dyno?



I love this quote from it...

Ok child, you still need attention then..



On the off-chance you'd returned to talking sense (ie sobriety), I thought I'd take a quick look at one of your posts.



I've read the entire trilogy btw, the hobbit and a part of the unfinished works too.



Do you recall me saying I am not going to vote Starmer and that I'm 'not a fan of Labour'?



Do you remember when you accepted that I share maybe 4% of Lab under Corbyn's beliefs?



Now let me use an example for you - I was talking to another Scottish bloke, hardline Stalinist on another forum, he wants no deal Brexit cos destroying the EU in his view could bring down world capitalism much quicker. He even hinted he had voted Tory to make this happen. Would you say he 'supports' the Tories?



Would you say I support Labour although I only voted for Corbyn as a lesser evil? One of the Europhiles I know voted Corbyn, despite voting Tory almost all her life - you're classing people like her as Labour supporters too.



Shall I class you as a Tory because you want no deal Brexit passed in England?



I believe in a confederal world where different systems can exist side by side. The sort of society I'd personally like to live in would almost resemble a Orthodox monastery, I don't expect anyone else to live under it, but it's what I want - If you think that's 'left wing' then you are madder than I thought.



Anyway, all the best, I hope your work is picking up and your health is good. And I advise you not to invest any time in trying to 'get one over on me' because I'm just not fussed pal.  :hattip

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

The environment seems to be the predominant political issue among younger people. Especially now, the environment can be linked to almost every political issue from meat production to diesel engines.



To a lot of young people and some older ones too, it comes into the "no brainer" category, i.e. . . .

Do you want to live . . .

a) in a cleaner, healthier and more sustainable society?

b) in a dirtier, less healthy and less sustainable society?

[B0ycey]

I'm not contesting that!  



But everytime I've pointed out the demographic differences regarding the EU (the majority of under 45's are in favour of the EU so, theoretically, demographic drift will inevitably mean the UK will become more "remain" over time - indeed, that point was theoretically passed early last year) I get told "ah but as they get older and wiser they will become more Eurosceptic!"

Well they are wrong. People vote with their pockets. That is, they vote for what is better for them financially. You get a few who vote ethically, but in general it is down to their pockets. Although with Brexit it was down to identity. That is the older generation seem more focused on the Albion and the youth on unity. Again that is more Marxist thought as he was for breaking down borders.



workers of the world, unite!

[BeElBeeBub]

But the millennials don't have the same opportunities as the Boomers. And that is key. Wealth opportunity is the defining factor on political narrative. So if you struggle, you tend to be more socialistic. And means the future is Red Flag.

I'm not contesting that!  



But everytime I've pointed out the demographic differences regarding the EU (the majority of under 45's are in favour of the EU so, theoretically, demographic drift will inevitably mean the UK will become more "remain" over time - indeed, that point was theoretically passed early last year) I get told "ah but as they get older and wiser they will become more Eurosceptic!"

[B0ycey]

Indeed I did not but how many did ?  Around 150k, that'll make a difference  



A leader decades to late more like  :hattip

I won't deny that if the status quo was maintained, social reform is an election away. But look at how things are being playing out today. We might soon be having mass unemployment. And as Attlee replaced Churchill regardless of his achievements during WWII, Keynesian economics and policy far outweighs Heyek Liberatarianism during hardship.

[BeElBeeBub]

That Beelbeebub is claiming is that Cummings edited that blog recently as part of a cover up, adding that part in, and is now claiming he wrote it last year.



Problem is - can we prove that.  Beelbeebub is it provable that it was that specific paragraph that was inserted on that date, that there wasn't a similar paragraph there already, and also, can we prove that it was Cummings who made that edit?



Otherwise they will just say from their millionair mansion that it's the "Liberal Elite Middle Classes" who don't like them.



By the way, this was the MO of the nationalist parties that rose in the 1930s - they became very expert at convincing the public that anyone that tried to call them to account or point out their lies, do not answer the allegation, simply challenge their motivation for asking the question.  If you can convince the public that all critisim of the government must be by "labour leftie commies" or suchlike, you can just do whatever you like.



Edit - if this is provable, why isn't it being widely reported?

Yes.



Here is the internet archive for the article on the 3rd May 2020



http://web.archive.org/web/20200503060009/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/202005030600 ... smissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/20200503060009/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/



And here is the snapshot for 9th April 2020



http://web.archive.org/web/20200409151643/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/202004091516 ... smissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/20200409151643/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/



Search for "Coronavirus" and "china".  None are mentioned in the April version.  This link helpfully highlights the changes.



http://web.archive.org/web/diff/20200503060009/20200409151643/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/diff/2020050 ... smissible/">http://web.archive.org/web/diff/20200503060009/20200409151643/https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/



As you can see the paragraph mentioning CV was inserted sometime between 9 April and 3rd May 2020.



If we go to his own website and check the sitemap log



https://dominiccummings.com/sitemap.xml">https://dominiccummings.com/sitemap.xml



You will see the last logged change

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So yeah it's provable.



Of course there may be some other source, maybe a speech or a newspaper column he is referencing (in which case why alter his blog post just after he returned to work).



Cummings whole article is just a cut and paste from another article, which did include the CV reference.



In essence DC cut and pasted an article but edited out the CV reference, then reinstated it and (possibly) cited it as evidence he was warning about CV last year.



Faisal Islam has the story.

[GregB]

Clearly you never went to Glastonbury.



Besides, Corbyn was a leader a generation ahead of his time. But the prodigy is round the corner. And although a Blairite is in Labour, his backbenchers, especially the new ones, are Corbynites.



Anyway, the Brexit clusterfuck of lies, Covid19, along with elitism and the wealth divide only makes the movement stronger.

Indeed I did not but how many did ?  Around 150k, that'll make a difference  



A leader decades to late more like  :hattip

[DeppityDawg]

Otherwise they will just say from their millionair mansion that it's the "Liberal Elite Middle Classes" who don't like them.

Leaving aside the Cummings fiasco for a moment, you seem happy to acknowledge the existence of uncaring millionaires in their mansions (stereotype?) but seem to get tetchy about the existence of liberal elitists?



Would it not be fair to say that elitists exist across the spectrum, and Cummings is simply a market capitalist example? Elitists are.people who believe they are better than others. Whether they measure that in terms of their wealth, social postioning or religious beliefs, or their belief in the superiority of their own or peer groups education and intelligence is irrelevant.

[papasmurf]

I find it incredible that once again every news channel is still wall to wall Cummings.

I don't, his "explanations" made his situation worse not better.

[B0ycey]

He didn't fail !  I've never seen a bigger failure of a leader in my lifetime. You speculate he won non voters for the future, a lot of good that will do him. How old are these non voters, 5  

Clearly you never went to Glastonbury.



Besides, Corbyn was a leader a generation ahead of his time. But the prodigy is round the corner. And although a Blairite is in Labour, his backbenchers, especially the new ones, are Corbynites.



Anyway, the Brexit clusterfuck of lies, Covid19, along with elitism and the wealth divide only makes the movement stronger.

[T00ts]

I find it incredible that once again every news channel is still wall to wall Cummings. They must be really desperate. This has once again become a power struggle and more fool the public for encouraging it. The PM should have the last word. Until the next election that's it. If Cummings goes now what does it prove? That Government is by the masses not those elected. If this happens now it will be repeated ad nauseum leaving us poorer as a nation and a democracy.

[GregB]

I would agree. But there is an age divide that need balancing before that can happen. People think Corbyn failed because he didn't win an election. He didn't fail. He has got his message out to the youth. But until they get older, they are not the votes.

He didn't fail !  I've never seen a bigger failure of a leader in my lifetime. You speculate he won non voters for the future, a lot of good that will do him. How old are these non voters, 5  

[B0ycey]

Just you wait, people will be along to tell you that by the time the youth get older they'll "come to their senses" and become conservatives.

But the millennials don't have the same opportunities as the Boomers. And that is key. Wealth opportunity is the defining factor on political narrative. So if you struggle, you tend to be more socialistic. And means the future is Red Flag.

[Javert]

He claimed "last year I wrote about the possible threat from Coronavirus and the urgent need for planning"



The blog post was spring 2019, but the paragraph about the Chinese lab inserted into his blog on April 15th 2020.



It is (unless an other article comes to the surface) a lie that he specifically warned of CV last year.



Not just a mistake either. Not a mis-remembering of a number or date. He edited a webpage then used that as supporting evidence.

That Beelbeebub is claiming is that Cummings edited that blog recently as part of a cover up, adding that part in, and is now claiming he wrote it last year.



Problem is - can we prove that.  Beelbeebub is it provable that it was that specific paragraph that was inserted on that date, that there wasn't a similar paragraph there already, and also, can we prove that it was Cummings who made that edit?



Otherwise they will just say from their millionair mansion that it's the "Liberal Elite Middle Classes" who don't like them.



By the way, this was the MO of the nationalist parties that rose in the 1930s - they became very expert at convincing the public that anyone that tried to call them to account or point out their lies, do not answer the allegation, simply challenge their motivation for asking the question.  If you can convince the public that all critisim of the government must be by "labour leftie commies" or suchlike, you can just do whatever you like.



Edit - if this is provable, why isn't it being widely reported?

[BeElBeeBub]

I would agree. But there is an age divide that need balancing before that can happen. People think Corbyn failed because he didn't win an election. He didn't fail. He has got his message out to the youth. But until they get older, they are not the votes.

Just you wait, people will be along to tell you that by the time the youth get older they'll "come to their senses" and become conservatives.