George Floyd Riots

[DeppityDawg]

So the US federal military forces are trained in domestic riot control?



I doubt it.

Is that an "expert" opinion, or just your own?



I don't know the organisation of the US National Guard and I can't be arsed to look, but since one of its primary duties is in support of the State Authorities, its a shoe in they'll be trained to deal with civil disorder. Most Regular military forces are too, its called MACP, or Military Assistance to the Civil Power - we know a lot about it over here too, since the UK did it for over 30 years in Northern Ireland.

Once you deploy troops onto the streets with live ammunition, if the crowd to not disperse, you are then faced with the choice to shoot them or just do nothing

Like your previous comment about "shooting unarmed black citizens", that's complete shite Javert

[Borg Refinery]

well of course all lives matter  but in this instance it represents treatment of black people in the USA over hundreds of years and has so been adopted as their campaign.



Liverpool supporters saw many fans die at Hillsborough and so adopted that as their campaign but nowhere near the scale and length of time that a whole race of people have suffered,so should the Hillsborough campaign or many others where such things happen make people feel uncomfortable?



Do old peoples lives matter,apparently not as we have seen of late

 :thup:

[Barry]

well of course all lives matter  but in this instance it represents treatment of black people in the USA over hundreds of years and has so been adopted as their campaign.



Liverpool supporters saw many fans die at Hillsborough and so adopted that as their campaign but nowhere near the scale and length of time that a whole race of people have suffered,so should the Hillsborough campaign or many others where such things happen make people feel uncomfortable?



Do old peoples lives matter,apparently not as we have seen of late

I prefer "all lives matter", you seem a bit confused as to whether that is the case.

[cromwell]

I assume you meant to write "Black lives matter", but perhaps you are ambivalent about spelling.



Anyone else have an uncomfortable feeling with "Black lives matter"?

It's the inferences that might be drawn. Do Chinese lives matter? How about disabled people?

Do women's lives matter?

Do black fetuses lives matter?



Does this woman's life matter?

Can we say that all lives matter? I would settle for that.

well of course all lives matter  but in this instance it represents treatment of black people in the USA over hundreds of years and has so been adopted as their campaign.



Liverpool supporters saw many fans die at Hillsborough and so adopted that as their campaign but nowhere near the scale and length of time that a whole race of people have suffered,so should the Hillsborough campaign or many others where such things happen make people feel uncomfortable?



Do old peoples lives matter,apparently not as we have seen of late

[Borchester]

With how badly Trump has performed the past year, there is no way the moderates will vote for him now. Biden has this easy. And I say that will a tiny bit of sorrow because he isn't much better.

And with the way Biden's Boys are wrecking the centres of Democratic fiefdoms such as Minneapolis, Atlanta and New York, I reckon I have more chance of a blowjob from Alexandria Osacio-Cortez than poor old Dopey Joe making it to the White House  

[Javert]

Right. So there is no official policy of "shooting unarmed black people" then? I thought not.



The other day you were rebuking anyone who wasn't an "expert" epidemiologist for having an opinion on CV-19. Fast forward a few weeks, and suddenly you're on expert on Riot control tactics, eh?



Sorry old son. That's a complete load of horse sh*t.

So the US federal military forces are trained in domestic riot control?



I doubt it.

[Borchester]

I think this place needs a separate "I hate Trump" section, where all the Antifa/Revolutionary/Vegan/Climate zealots can get their rocks off without being interrupted by fascists like you and me.

 :hattip  :hattip    

[B0ycey]

All the better for Trumps re election chances if they dont.

With how badly Trump has performed the past year, there is no way the moderates will vote for him now. Biden has this easy. And I say that will a tiny bit of sorrow because he isn't much better.

[DeppityDawg]

The words he spoke?



Once you deploy troops onto the streets with live ammunition, if the crowd to not disperse, you are then faced with the choice to shoot them or just do nothing.  It was pretty clear from Trump's words that he would prefer them to be shot if they don't disperse.

Right. So there is no official policy of "shooting unarmed black people" then? I thought not.



The other day you were rebuking anyone who wasn't an "expert" epidemiologist for having an opinion on CV-19. Fast forward a few weeks, and suddenly you're on expert on Riot control tactics, eh?



Sorry old son. That's a complete load of horse shit.

[B0ycey]

I assume you meant to write "Black lives matter", but perhaps you are ambivalent about spelling.

Perhaps the "D" is next to the "S" on the keyboard and it was just a mistake perhaps.

Anyone else have an uncomfortable feeling with "Black lives matter"?

It's the inferences that might be drawn. Do Chinese lives matter? How about disabled people?

Do women's lives matter?

Do black fetuses lives matter?



Does this woman's life matter?

Can we say that all lives matter? I would settle for that.

We indeed can say all lives matter, but in America there seems to be a statical abnormally in regards to the police and racism towards black people . Should we (or more specifically America) ignore that to keep people such as yourself happy?



If you ignore the problem, it doesn't just go away. It will become more acceptable. And whether the riots are justified or not doesn't detract the good work that people who show a united front do in order to make a movement to achieve change.

[Javert]

I think that the US government have rightly come to the conclusion that they are now dealing with a mob not the original protest .

The answer is to arrest the individual people committing specific crimes like arson, violence etc.



As far as I can tell from what I'm seeing pretty much all of the actual violence against humans (rather than inanimate objects) has come from the police so far, including the initial and shameful incident that sparked this all off.



That said, I guess this is a godsend for Trump - he was going to lose the election with his Covid-19 failures but with this, he is back on his own solid ground of being a white supremacist (whilst of course claiming not to be), and if he can plant the idea that he has put down an insurrection it will actually help his poll numbers.  Of course, he's unlikely to get 50% of the vote, but as we've seen in these kind of FPTP systems, you don't need 50% to win.

[Javert]

Is that his official or unofficial instruction? Either way, do you have a link or some evidence that his "answer" is to shoot unarmed black citizens?

The words he spoke?



Once you deploy troops onto the streets with live ammunition, if the crowd to not disperse, you are then faced with the choice to shoot them or just do nothing.  It was pretty clear from Trump's words that he would prefer them to be shot if they don't disperse.

[Streetwalker]

So his answer to protests about the police killing unarmed black citizens, is to bring in heavily armed military personnel to diffuse the situation by shooting unarmed black citizens?

I think that the US government have rightly come to the conclusion that they are now dealing with a mob not the original protest .

[DeppityDawg]

So his answer to protests about the police killing unarmed black citizens, is to bring in heavily armed military personnel to diffuse the situation by shooting unarmed black citizens?

Is that his official or unofficial instruction? Either way, do you have a link or some evidence that his "answer" is to shoot unarmed black citizens?

[Javert]

Why, is there a problem with black people in the military and being disobedient to orders? I'd not heard about that.

I doubt it, but this did cross my mind as well.



I don't have the stats for the percent of minority personnel in the US forces but I think it's pretty high.



If you ask the US army to start shooting their own citizens, I'm not totally convinced they would all just follow the orders blindly - that's an entirely different matter.  That's why most governments think very carefully before deploying their own army against their own citizens as it can end up in civil war if you are not careful, especially if the protesting citizens actually have a reasonable cause.



The right wing populists meanwhile are doing what they have always done throughout history, and has been well documented since the 1960s in the USA - their tactic is to try to persuade the silent majority that legitimate protests are actually part of a dangerous and long planned socialist / anarchist insurrection that wants to kill their children.  The FBI actually had a secret department that was specifically set up to push this agenda back in the 1960s - from what I understand, documents proving this were stolen from an FBI office back then and made public.