George Floyd Riots

[B0ycey]

No one reads the sun they just look at the pictures,in football they are universally known as the dippers what has the sun got to do with it?

Can't say I have heard any football league club called "The Dippers". Sounds like something The Sun would write. Not that this matters. Had Manchester United done it I would have published the story and reached the same conclusion.

[DeppityDawg]

No one reads the sun they just look at the pictures,in football they are universally known as the dippers what has the sun got to do with it?

You're just pissed because you got booted out of Europe and they didn't. Brexit. Just not the one you wanted  ::  ::  ::

[cromwell]

Did you read that in The Sun?



Its not really about football but the UK sporting personalities showing unity to a cause over in America. I could have posted numerous tweets from a number of sources. But the Liverpool article does that and more for me. And as Trump tweets offensive messages, this has the means to continue into a global movement.

No one reads the sun they just look at the pictures,in football they are universally known as the dippers what has the sun got to do with it?

[B0ycey]

Oh well the dippers have previous for rioting,not a dipper fan are you?

Did you read that in The Sun?



Its not really about football but the UK sporting personalities showing unity to a cause over in America. I could have posted numerous tweets from a number of sources. But the Liverpool article does that and more for me. And as Trump tweets offensive messages, this has the means to continue into a global movement.

[cromwell]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059">//https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059



Liverpool FC drop the knee. The world unites to show 'black lived matter' as America have their sixth day of protests.

Oh well the dippers have previous for rioting,not a dipper fan are you?

[B0ycey]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059">//https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/52875059



Liverpool FC drop the knee. The world unites to show 'black lived matter' as America have their sixth day of protests.

[Borchester]

I just don't understand why it took you so long to accept that they had been fired. Even your last posts leads with "If two of them have already been fired" with "if" implying it may not be the case.



Anyway, all that aside, I'm sure everyone will welcome the fact that given there was no reasonable justification for their actions, the police involved have been fired, or otherwise punished.

I would be surprised if they had actually been fired. The police unions in the US are pretty strong  and since both men had over 20 years service, I imagine that when the smoke clears it will be found that they had effectively resigned.

Be that as it may be, Atlanta appears to have been a Democrat fiefdom since Sherman did not burn the place, so I doubt that Trump is overly worried about losing the local vote.

[Borg Refinery]

Supposedly the driver broke curfew and refused to stop a few times pre the filming.



I was told this by a very reliable source, a confederate dude who loves the idea of shooting folks from helis and thinks lincoln was a commie (that last bit is not an exaggeration either), but if true...then that does seem to semi-vindicate the cops.

[DeppityDawg]

I just don't understand why it took you so long to accept that they had been fired. Even your last posts leads with "If two of them have already been fired" with "if" implying it may not be the case.

Whoa, hold on Pal. Lets get this straight. You have been posting links to videos on Twitter or whatever since last night, making various judgemental comments about the actions contained in them - I and another poster have answer several posts stating inconsistencies, lack of actual or incomplete evidence of what is being claimed in some of them, or why the officer(s) in these videos MAY have acted the way they did, or what circumstances MAY have caused certain actions - at NO point have I claimed (or anyone else that I can see) that no wrong has been done or that mistakes or over reactions have not happened - in fact I have stated that in my opinion, the officers in the case we are discussing here over-reacted - go back in the thread and look?



Yet this is what I got from you...

It is very definitely a leap to try and justify their actions with a 'something else probably happened that makes this acceptable.'

Show me where I "justified" anything please? Show me where I said it was acceptable to act beyond or not in accordance with procedures for lawful arrest? Can you do that?



What I have pointed out is that these things are NOT case closed from you looking at a fecking 30 second video and calling it, and need to be investigated. I have given multiple examples of that against several of the videos, and I stand by that. Not every "protestor" is peaceful, not every officer acts impeccably, not every arrest is wrong or procedure incorrect (or correct) just because it appears that way to you in a 30 second video. In your world it may be, in the real world it is not, and that is why ALL complaints need to be investigated properly with the available evidence before coming to a conclusion. That includes the fact that often offenders or suspects react violently to arrest and subsequently different procedures and actions may be required, but none of this can be judged by someone on an internet forum on the basis of a 30 second video

Anyway, all that aside, I'm sure everyone will welcome the fact that given there was no reasonable justification for their actions, the police involved have been fired, or otherwise punished.

In the case of this example, you posted the video last night, and comments were made on here about it last night. This morning (probably on further google searches) you have posted an article by the NY Times reporting on what actions have subsequently been taken by the Police themselves, but it is showing as updated 01.10 EST, which is about 06.10 GMT this morning



Do us all a favour for feck sake. Yes, it is fair and right that if officers are found to be behaving badly, they are disciplined or dismissed accordingly, but that does NOT mean they can be judged in advanced without a proper and fair hearing.

[Nalaar]

Yes. I have read the article. And I've just summed up what (in my opinion) was the outcome, have I not?

I just don't understand why it took you so long to accept that they had been fired. Even your last posts leads with "If two of them have already been fired" with "if" implying it may not be the case.



Anyway, all that aside, I'm sure everyone will welcome the fact that given there was no reasonable justification for their actions, the police involved have been fired, or otherwise punished.

[DeppityDawg]

Did you read the article I posted?

Yes. I have read the article. And I've just summed up what (in my opinion) was the outcome, have I not?

[Nalaar]

If two of them have already been "fired" then they must have been found behaving in the equivalent of gross misconduct/negligence - they may even be charged themselves now - in which case the Police have been seen to have acted on the information they have (body cam evidence?). If others are on "desk duty" (eg withdrawn from frontline duty or suspended) then their actions are still being investigated. Which means the Police themselves have taken the necessary actions after examining the evidence, and taking statements from those in the car,.the officers themselves, and presumably other witness statements. Yes? In other words, examined all the facts and evidence before coming to a conclusion.



Either way, this is all retrospective and with the benefit of evidential hindsight. Which is a bit different to watching a 30 second video and making assumptions of guilt.

Did you read the article I posted?

[DeppityDawg]

I don't understand what you think I am misreading here?

If two of them have already been "fired" then they must have been found behaving in the equivalent of gross misconduct/negligence - they may even be charged themselves now - in which case the Police have been seen to have acted on the information they have (body cam evidence?). If others are on "desk duty" (eg withdrawn from frontline duty or suspended) then their actions are still being investigated. Which means the Police themselves have taken the necessary actions after examining the evidence, and taking statements from those in the car,.the officers themselves, and presumably other witness statements. Yes? In other words, examined all the facts and evidence before coming to a conclusion.



Either way, this is all retrospective and with the benefit of evidential hindsight. Which is a bit different to watching a 30 second video and making assumptions of guilt.

[Nalaar]

Perhaps you don't read very well or you aren't interested in factual details, but the article says "fired and placed on desk duty", a contradiction in terms. Maybe the NY Times isn't interested in details either, but suspended pending investigation is probably what's happened.

ATLANTA — Two police officers have been fired and three others placed on desk duty over excessive use of force

I don't understand what you think I am misreading here?

[DeppityDawg]

It is not unlikely. It is a matter of recorded fact.



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Perhaps you don't read very well or you aren't interested in factual details, but the article says "fired and placed on desk duty", a contradiction in terms. Maybe the NY Times isn't interested in details either, but suspended pending investigation is probably what's happened.