George Floyd Riots

[Thomas]

News today:



Biden ahead by 14 points

DC Mayor sez Trump treated soldiers like toys

Colin Powell now endorsing Biden. Bush, Romney anti-Trump reelection

Houston police chief tells Trump to keep his mouth shut ( ::  ::  :: )

Trump admits he's failing in a twitter rant, blames Dems (duh)

Trump's Odds of Winning Reelection Are Higher Than You Think

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I think he might do it. 8-)

[johnofgwent]

The lefty taliban eh?

Good point, ISIS are fond of tearing down statues and icons.

[johnofgwent]

The people of Bristol had a poll on it a while back and voted to keep it  as it was

The poll was 56% in favour of retaining it.



Which in a city happy to ignore 52% is a clear mandate to act ....

[Thomas]

Well its representative of the readership of that paper but there you go .If it had been in favour of removing it those wanting it removed would have been all over it as proof positive .



Maybe you think all statues and reference to history should be in museums ,or is it just the ones you don't like ?

What next streetwalker , do you think the luvvies will be popping up to glesga to start pulling down this...



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FFS. Glasgow was built off the back of the slaves toiling in the plantations for the tobacco industry.

Glasgow's position on the River Clyde, where the trade winds first hit Europe, gave its merchants a two to three week advantage over other ports in Europe. The advantage was enhanced by the French monarchy granting to Glasgow in 1747 a monopoly for the importation of tobacco into French territories. The deepening of the Clyde in 1768 provided a further advantage, because Glasgow ships were built specifically for the Atlantic crossing and were generally bigger than those of other ports.



The tobacco trade was part of broader trade that linked exports of consumer and manufactured goods from Europe with the North American and Caribbean colonies. Operated with slave labour, these colonies supplied tropical goods, like tobacco, sugar and rum. Merchants carried these goods back to West Africa to exchange for slaves which they transported on to America and the Caribbean, as part of the so-called triangular trade.

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Absolutely disgracefull seeing those left wing luvvie zealots pulling that statue down and throwing it in the river.



The lefty taliban eh?



Shouty minority lefty zealots that are yet again trying to speak for the rest of us , and failing badly.

[Thomas]

The people of Bristol had a poll on it a while back and voted to keep it  as it was



 It appears this country is becoming more  un democratic by the day with people  who support causes that have been rejected by the majority that are turning up on the fringes of any and every  demonstration .

totally agree mate. :thup:

[Thomas]

Not at all, just wasn't sure how to respond with brevity.

If I omitted points, it doesn't mean they weren't read and taken on board.







I can accept that (re the org operating differently in our two countries).

Well i havent seen anything to suggest they are a tory mouthpiece in england. The tories may very well be trying to turn the screw on the bbc , which is understandable, but i would still think it is by and large a left wing organisation .



However i wont argue the point  further , and i think we can agree at the very least it is a left wing labour party supporting organisation here in scotland stuffed full of labour toadies.



The great part though is how much its reputation seems to have fallen in both countries. :thup:

[Borg Refinery]

News today:



Biden ahead by 14 points

DC Mayor sez Trump treated soldiers like toys

Colin Powell now endorsing Biden. Bush, Romney anti-Trump reelection

Houston police chief tells Trump to keep his mouth shut ( ::  ::  :: )

Trump admits he's failing in a twitter rant, blames Dems (duh)

[Borg Refinery]

I see you opted to ignore much of my post concerning black lives matter , black on black killings and anthony joshua.



Not suprising really.

Not at all, just wasn't sure how to respond with brevity.

If I omitted points, it doesn't mean they weren't read and taken on board.

However regarding the BBC , i couldnt disagree with you anymore than i do.



The BBC is the british state broadcaster as we all know. Like any state broadcaster around the world , its bias is to the state it represents , and of course the government of the day , wether red or blue tory.



He who pays the piper calls the tune.



Where i think we can have some small bit of common ground on this subject is how your state broadcaster operates slightly differently in both our countries.



While the organisation may very well be leaning slightly towards the tories in England ( which doesnt mean they will automatically condemn these protests , far from it) here in scotland it is and always has been a mouthpiece for the labour party.











https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/">https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014 ... our-party/">https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/



and of course the bbc has massive trust issues here in scotland ....





https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989377.well-win-back-trust-vows-new-bbc-scotland-chief-donalda-mackinnon/">https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989 ... mackinnon/">https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989377.well-win-back-trust-vows-new-bbc-scotland-chief-donalda-mackinnon/







https://archive.is/7ETVM">https://archive.is/7ETVM



The BBC in scotland is nothing more than a left wing  labour party mouthpiece , and everyone knows it. So much so there is regular protests outside bbc pacific quay and mass refusal to pay the TV licence.



It is an organisation of complete ridicule , full of the very left wing middle class liberal toadies we have been discussing in this thread.

I can accept that (re the org operating differently in our two countries).

[Streetwalker]

I can't find any reference to any proper poll or referendum on this topic.  The only reference I found is to a poll in a local newspaper in 2014 - this wouldn't be a representative sample by any shape or form.



As I said, I'm not particularly in favour of criminal damage of statues, but given the actions of the person commemorated in this statue, I won't be losing much sleep over it and don't consider it crime of the century.



The correct place for such things is in an museum, not in pride of place in the City.

Well its representative of the readership of that paper but there you go .If it had been in favour of removing it those wanting it removed would have been all over it as proof positive .



Maybe you think all statues and reference to history should be in museums ,or is it just the ones you don't like ?

[Javert]

The people of Bristol had a poll on it a while back and voted to keep it  as it was



 It appears this country is becoming more  un democratic by the day with people  who support causes that have been rejected by the majority that are turning up on the fringes of any and every  demonstration .

I can't find any reference to any proper poll or referendum on this topic.  The only reference I found is to a poll in a local newspaper in 2014 - this wouldn't be a representative sample by any shape or form.



As I said, I'm not particularly in favour of criminal damage of statues, but given the actions of the person commemorated in this statue, I won't be losing much sleep over it and don't consider it crime of the century.



The correct place for such things is in an museum, not in pride of place in the City.

[Streetwalker]

Apparently this particular statue has been the subject of repeated attempts to take it down, or at least change the plaque on it, for many years.

The people of Bristol had a poll on it a while back and voted to keep it  as it was



 It appears this country is becoming more  un democratic by the day with people  who support causes that have been rejected by the majority that are turning up on the fringes of any and every  demonstration .

[Thomas]

I see this has been used for an excuse for a spot of vandalism in Bristol.



Maybe we should destroy everything the slave trade brought Bristol



That should send it back to the dark ages, and it would certainly drop the house prices !!



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356

 :thup:



Totally agree with you john , and completely out of order.



Watching these cants is like watching the taliban blow up the buddha statue in afghanistan.



Talk about feckin zealots.

[Thomas]

I don't at all agree with you here.

I see you opted to ignore much of my post concerning black lives matter , black on black killings and anthony joshua.



Not suprising really.



However regarding the BBC , i couldnt disagree with you anymore than i do.



The BBC is the british state broadcaster as we all know. Like any state broadcaster around the world , its bias is to the state it represents , and of course the government of the day , wether red or blue tory.



He who pays the piper calls the tune.



Where i think we can have some small bit of common ground on this subject is how your state broadcaster operates slightly differently in both our countries.



While the organisation may very well be leaning slightly towards the tories in England ( which doesnt mean they will automatically condemn these protests , far from it) here in scotland it is and always has been a mouthpiece for the labour party.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive: BBC Scotland and the Labour Party

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Welcome to The Family; the BBC Scotland family aka the Labour Party.



The Family resides in Glasgow and is presided over by Ken McQuarrie. Ken MacQuarrie's Head of News at BBC Scotland is John, John Boothman. John is married to Susan, Susan is Susan Deacon. Susan is a former Labour MSP and Health Minister at Holyrood.



http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bbc-chief-too-close-to-labour-claims-ex-colleague.22317694">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... e.22317694">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bbc-chief-too-close-to-labour-claims-ex-colleague.22317694



Ken's Head of Online News is Tom, Tom Connor. Tom and John are said to have offered media training to Labour Party wannabe politicians. Tom's department operates BBC Scotland blogs; infamous for their ban on public comments, unlike any other part of the UK.



Another Tom is Tom McCabe. Tom is a member of the Scottish Labour Party and used to be an MSP. Tom also used to be the partner of Lorraine, Lorraine Davidson. Lorraine's career has swung between the Labour Party and the BBC. She used to be a spin-doctor – with the Labour Party or was it the BBC? Not too sure on that one. Lorraine became a weel-kent voice on BBC Scotland frequently ushered in to air her views on all the big issues of the day. Lorraine is now married to David.

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https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/">https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014 ... our-party/">https://lenathehyena.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/oh-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-when-first-we-practice-to-deceive-bbc-scotland-and-the-labour-party/



and of course the bbc has massive trust issues here in scotland ....

THE new head of BBC Scotland has admitted the corporation lost the trust of "a significant number" of people after the independence referendum and that there is still work required to regain it.

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https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989377.well-win-back-trust-vows-new-bbc-scotland-chief-donalda-mackinnon/">https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989 ... mackinnon/">https://www.thenational.scot/news/14989377.well-win-back-trust-vows-new-bbc-scotland-chief-donalda-mackinnon/

 BBC audience study shows Scottish viewers are most critical of all

Major surveys of BBC audiences across the UK for the charter review found users in Scotland are consistently the most unhappy, raising challenging questions for corporation executives.

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Has Scotland fallen out of love with the BBC? Its views have now been officially measured in a UK-wide study, and the answer appears to be yes: Scottish audiences have a problem – a bigger problem than any other part of the UK.

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The BBC in scotland is nothing more than a left wing  labour party mouthpiece , and everyone knows it. So much so there is regular protests outside bbc pacific quay and mass refusal to pay the TV licence.



It is an organisation of complete ridicule , full of the very left wing middle class liberal toadies we have been discussing in this thread.

[Javert]

I know where you got that.



https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti-patel-announces-plans-for-new-statues-honouring-dr-harold-shipman-and-general-zod/">https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti- ... neral-zod/">https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti-patel-announces-plans-for-new-statues-honouring-dr-harold-shipman-and-general-zod/



Priti Patel announces plans for new statues honouring Dr Harold Shipman and General Zod

To be honest they got it from me.  I thought of it early this morning before I saw a similar article there but I can't prove it so....



Anyway the point is that when we dismiss the fact that black people who may be descended from slaves have to walk past that statue every day, maybe we should think about how it would feel if someone put up a statue to a person who murdered our family ancestor and made us walk past it every day.  Never a truer word spoken in jest and all that.

[Borg Refinery]

Apparently this particular statue has been the subject of repeated attempts to take it down, or at least change the plaque on it, for many years.



Whatever the rights and wrongs, nobody was physically hurt, and I highly doubt this statue will be put back where it was, which is in my mind not a bad thing.



The people who actually pulled it down will probably be prosecuted and fined, but if I was one of them, I would probably think it was worth it.



It did also strike my mind when thinking of all those who defend this statue on the basis that it's an important commemoration of the "good things" that this person did, perhaps we should erect a statue of Harold Shipman in his hometown to recognise all the young people's lives he saved by giving them antibiotics, or perhaps a statue of Hitler to recognise his efforts at punctual train services, and then see how the victims feel having to walk past it each day.

I know where you got that.



https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti-patel-announces-plans-for-new-statues-honouring-dr-harold-shipman-and-general-zod/">https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti- ... neral-zod/">https://newsthump.com/2020/06/08/priti-patel-announces-plans-for-new-statues-honouring-dr-harold-shipman-and-general-zod/



Priti Patel announces plans for new statues honouring Dr Harold Shipman and General Zod

The Government has announced plans to replace the statue of Edward Colston Bristol with statues of Dr Harold Shipman and General Zod.



"Dr Harold Shipman was a well-respected GP who was emblematic of all the qualities communities look for in their local doctor," explained Home Secretary and complete fucking bastard Priti Patel.





 

"Yes, we recognise that he is also known for other, less socially acceptable activities, but this statue isn't about those. This is about the fine work he did as a GP and the people he gave prescriptions to when he realised his preferred option wasn't really available.."



She also explained the unusual decision to honour General Zod, a fictional villain from Superman 2, with a statue.



"He was one of the galaxy's most irredeemable criminals and he wanted to take over the world and enslave humanity," she went on, her eyes shining a little with fervour.



"But these statues should be here to remind us of the darker aspects of our history as well as the good.



"Also, let's be honest, if Zod were real, he'd probably be our Foreign Secretary right now. I mean, yes, he was profoundly evil, but he was a good, strong leader, and he'd have some fairly robust ideas about dealing with the EU."



It had been rumoured that Ms Patel was going to announce a statue of Boris Johnson, not because of the 40,000 people who have died due to his botched coronavirus response, but for his work setting up a successful bike hire scheme.