George Floyd Riots

[Javert]

Apparently this particular statue has been the subject of repeated attempts to take it down, or at least change the plaque on it, for many years.



Whatever the rights and wrongs, nobody was physically hurt, and I highly doubt this statue will be put back where it was, which is in my mind not a bad thing.



The people who actually pulled it down will probably be prosecuted and fined, but if I was one of them, I would probably think it was worth it.



It did also strike my mind when thinking of all those who defend this statue on the basis that it's an important commemoration of the "good things" that this person did, perhaps we should erect a statue of Harold Shipman in his hometown to recognise all the young people's lives he saved by giving them antibiotics, or perhaps a statue of Hitler to recognise his efforts at punctual train services, and then see how the victims feel having to walk past it each day.

[Borg Refinery]

Peaceful protesters in America stopping looters:

There you go, armed supporters of the Floyd protest protecting businesses with AR-15's and poles. No more of this "they all want violence" stuff.

[papasmurf]

Well the inaction of plod  seen our Veterans take up the challenge .The Vets have called for support to protect our Statues and war memorials and will be meeting in Whitehall at noon next Saturday



Lets see if the bastards want to paint spray and burn flags next week  :Patriot:

I saw that earlier but I am not going to provide a reference. (Put it this way knowing some of them I would not want get on the wrong side of them.)

[Streetwalker]

Well the inaction of plod  has seen our Veterans take up the challenge .The Vets have called for support to protect our Statues and war memorials and will be meeting in Whitehall at noon next Saturday



Lets see if the bastards want to paint spray and burn flags next week  :Patriot:

[Borg Refinery]

Thats some twisting and spinning there.



The "super biased bbc?" BBC scotland is full of unionist labour lefty toadies , and BBC uk wide is well known for having a left wing bias. Any bias on display would certainly be  FOR these anarchist protests rather than against.

The BBC may have been a little like that in the past, but not anymore it's not. Have you even watched QT with Fiona Bruce recently? Or listened to Nick Robinson? Or 'Brillo'? Or Laura Kuenssberg? Or Derbyshire? Or the BBC news wanchor guy saying how Edward Colston was a great man and a philanthropist and should be celebrated (I don't agree with taking the statue down like that, but they showed their bias yet again)..



I don't at all agree with you here.



Try this.



Dominic Cummings and the battle for Downing Street

 By Nicholas Watt

As a public schoolboy who went to Oxford and tends to hang round in aristocratic circles, Dominic Cummings is an unlikely champion of the dispossessed.



But the defining mission of his career is to articulate and channel the frustration of voters who feel alienated by what has been described as the Westminster elite. Identifying the anger of these voters helped him deliver the three unequivocal successes of his career – winning a 2004 referendum, which killed off the then Labour government's plans for a political assembly in the north-east of England; winning the 2016 Brexit referendum; and finally helping to mastermind last December's election win as voters in Labour's "Red Wall" in the north of England defected to the Tories.



Cummings believes the fate of Boris Johnson's government will depend on whether it delivers for these "left behind" towns where voters feel little connection with the often more affluent cities. That explains his opposition to HS2, an elitist project in his view which links affluent cities and bypasses towns with greater needs.



As Javid found out this week, Cummings will not allow anyone or anything to get in the way of spending that must, in his view, be targeted at the Red Wall. For him it is about more than trying to keep newly acquired seats in the Tory fold. It is about showing that a whole generation of dispossessed voters can have a stake in society.



For now he is focused on major public spending to rebuild an infrastructure neglected during the years of austerity which he opposed. But Cummings believes that, in the longer term, the best hope for such communities lies in improving the state of schools.



His record on education is also an important way of assessing his likely success in Downing Street. It is the only area where he has previously worked in government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/09jpSjVUpQ/dominic_cummings_battle_for_downing_street">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/09jpSj ... ing_street">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/09jpSjVUpQ/dominic_cummings_battle_for_downing_street



A clear demonstration of pro Tory bias.



I don't agree with all the aims of the protesters, or all the ways they've gone about it etc, but certainly I'm not going to look down on peaceful protesters who are a bit sick of injustice in America.



Re the protest, I'll take the Police whom I respect far more than Bojo OR the BBC at their word.



The Metropolitan Police's Supt Jo Edwards said following a "predominantly peaceful protest" in the capital, officers were faced with "scenes of violence and disorder" which were "entirely unacceptable".

[cromwell]

I see this has been used for an excuse for a spot of vandalism in Bristol.



Maybe we should destroy everything the slave trade brought Bristol



That should send it back to the dark ages, and it would certainly drop the house prices !!



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356

Well TBH John there is always another route,I ain't in favour of statues just being ripped down like that it is part of history perhaps one people don't like but where would it end.....Churchill,Nelsons,Cromwell himself



The protests here aren't doing much for halting the spread of the virus and I think the British police model much better trained and disciplined than the Yankee version.

(Stands by for lots of comments about hand wringing,liberal lefty,blindness to my own nations faults :shrg: )

If the majority of the people of Bristol wanted that statue removed then that's their prerogative but not by mob, it might have been worth some explanation of the history it's obvious downsides but context of the times they happened in the area of the statue.

[papasmurf]

How about we just remove their names and statues,

That is more than most people seem to think. Personally I am against removing history from view.

[Nalaar]

If everything the slave trade brought to Bristol were destroyed there would be little of Bristol left.

How about we just remove their names and statues, and keep the buildings. Agreed?

[papasmurf]

Maybe, but let's at least start with the statues to the slave traders.

If everything the slave trade brought to Bristol were destroyed there would be little of Bristol left.

[Nalaar]

So you're happy to condone violent criminal damage then.



Fine, at least we know where you stand on this.



The reason Avon Police did nothing of course is



a) the city, the council and the police commisisoner are all labour supporters members or appointees and



b) last time the police tried taking on black protestor's crimimality the St Pauls area burned for days.

I don't have much compassion for a slave traders statue.

[johnofgwent]

Maybe, but let's at least start with the statues to the slave traders.

So you're happy to condone violent criminal damage then.



Fine, at least we know where you stand on this.



The reason Avon Police did nothing of course is



a) the city, the council and the police commisisoner are all labour supporters members or appointees and



b) last time the police tried taking on black protestor's crimimality the St Pauls area burned for days.

[Nalaar]

Maybe we should destroy everything the slave trade brought Bristol

Maybe, but let's at least start with the statues to the slave traders.

[johnofgwent]

I see this has been used for an excuse for a spot of vandalism in Bristol.



Maybe we should destroy everything the slave trade brought Bristol



That should send it back to the dark ages, and it would certainly drop the house prices !!



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52962356

[Thomas]

Did I say to all four  we did?

what you gibbering about then?



Give yerself a big hug and bung 20 quid in the pot for black lives matter to make yourself feelgood about the world.

[Thomas]

Well I condemned the rioters already, but even the super biased BBC was forced to admit that the protest was mostly peaceful.

Thats some twisting and spinning there.



The "super biased bbc?" BBC scotland is full of unionist labour lefty toadies , and BBC uk wide is well known for having a left wing bias. Any bias on display would certainly be  FOR these anarchist protests rather than against.



I think your PM said these "protests" were  "Subverted by thuggery". Thats doesnt sound peacefull to me , nor from what i saw on TV and social media.



We had black boxer anthony joshua causing uproar by encouraging black folk only to shop in black owned stores.



We had black lives matter completely ( yet again) silent on the killing of 77 year old black man  david dorn , former police chief , by a 24 year old black thug in america.



https://time.com/5849888/st-louis-captain-david-dorn-suspect-arrested/">https://time.com/5849888/st-louis-capta ... -arrested/">https://time.com/5849888/st-louis-captain-david-dorn-suspect-arrested/



Which brings us to the stat in 2018 , for every black man killed by a white,  11 blacks were killed by other black men in yank land.



We had the protests here in scotland and the usual idiots in glesga running around screaming black lives matter , with from what i saw on social media , the mass disapproval of the "silent majority" for them breaking the lockdown rules.



We saw the anarchist mob in bristol pulling down a statue , i mean the list goes on. All whipped up by the media and bellends running around screaming .



From what i see  , despite the huggy feel good spin being put on events , there is a growing and angry disapproval of these protests by many.



I dont have too much time this morning to discuss this further , but to me the whole thing is backfiring  on black lives matter .