What a surprise - food standards being dropped for US deal

[Nalaar]

Ah, remember when the government said their would be no compromise on animal welfare and food standards for the sake of a trade deal, and we would be assertive in defending our own interests...I see that got us far.

[Borchester]

So you could not be bothered to read the two links I posted. Or you would not have poste such a stupid response.

Well, sort of. I got as far as the bit about the Tories begging Trump to lace baby milk with rat poison and then send it to the UK where Boris would take personal charge of distributing it to single mums on council estates and then my eyes started to glaze over.



I am not saying that it is a bad idea, but I have heard it before.  

[papasmurf]

 Let's just continue posting here what we really believe, makes much more sense.

I nearly needed oxygen laughing at that.

[Barry]

We can not go down the road of taking the sensitivities of the EU into consideration when making trade deals with others .  The whole point of leaving is that their nonsense becomes irrelevant .



 :Patriot:

Yes  :hattip

[Barry]

Fair enough, i'll stop using "Chlorine " when you stop using "Chinese XXX" to describe CV.  Fair?

No deal.

I was merely emulating your control-freakery. Let's just continue posting here what we really believe, makes much more sense.



I will eat any chicken that won't make me ill.

[papasmurf]

I think that is why most of us cook our chicken before eating it.

So you could not be bothered to read the two links I posted. Or you would not have poste such a stupid response.

[Borchester]

No it isn't as safe as EU chicken, chlorine washing only stuns the bugs that cause food poisoning it does not kill them.

I think that is why most of us cook our chicken before eating it.



Clearly things are different in the West Country

[papasmurf]

If food is cooked properly how it is washed or not washed is irrelevant . Ive spent many a vacation is the US and never had any problems with the food .

You were lucky. The rate of food poisoning in America is frightening. I also do not wish to eat chlorine washed chicken or beef lagged with growth hormone.

Any food imported from America should be prominently labelled so people can avoid it if they choose to do so.

[Streetwalker]

If food is cooked properly how it is washed or not washed is irrelevant . Ive spent many a vacation is the US and never had any problems with the food .



No ,its not what happens post mortem but about animal welfare that is the issue for me . Issues that make food production cheaper may be good for me when I sit down for lunch at Applebee's but maybe not so for British farmers facing competition of cheap imports .

 

Its not really that big a problem for a bi lateral trade deal to overcome ,its only when the EU try to get involved that more chapters  are added to the deal .



We can not go down the road of taking the sensitivities of the EU into consideration when making trade deals with others .  The whole point of leaving is that their nonsense becomes irrelevant .



 :Patriot:

[BeElBeeBub]

May I respectfully ask that you don't refer to Chlorine washed chicken as "Chlorine chicken"?

Thanks.

Fair enough, i'll stop using "Chlorine " when you stop using "Chinese XXX" to describe CV.  Fair?

Would you eat chicken from the USA BeElBeeBub? It's as safe as EU chicken, isn't it?

I have when I was there because I didn't have any option



It is definitely not as safe.



In the UK it is illegal to distribute food known to contain salmonella.  If a batch of chicken is found to contain *any* salmonella it cannot be sold.



In the US it is legal to distribute food containing salmonella.  If a batch of chicken contains below a certain level of salmonella it can be sold.



UK - no salmonella allowed

US - some salmonella allowed



The FDA recommends all eggs be thoroughly cooked before being consumed by vulnerable groups like the elderly etc.

The UK says lion marked eggs are safe for all groups even uncooked/soft cooked.



It is always difficult to compare health outcomes between countries due to confounding factors like healthcare provision, demographics etc but the US seems to fare worse for food related illnesses than the EU.

[papasmurf]

Would you eat chicken from the USA BeElBeeBub? It's as safe as EU chicken, isn't it?

No it isn't as safe as EU chicken, chlorine washing only stuns the bugs that cause food poisoning it does not kill them.



More at link:-



https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2018/04/foodborne-illness-study.page">https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2018 ... study.page">https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2018/04/foodborne-illness-study.page



Chlorine, commonly used in the agriculture industry to decontaminate fresh produce, can make foodborne pathogens undetectable according to new research led by the University of Southampton.



Link to the study:-



https://mbio.asm.org/content/9/2/e00540-18">https://mbio.asm.org/content/9/2/e00540-18



Viable-but-Nonculturable Listeria monocytogenes and Salmonella enterica Serovar Thompson Induced by Chlorine Stress Remain Infectious

Callum J. Highmore, Jennifer C. Warner, Steve D. Rothwell, Sandra A. Wilks, C. William Keevil

Mark J. Bailey, Editor

DOI: 10.1128/mBio.00540-18

[Borg Refinery]

Before some wag pops up

We have WAGs on here?!?



You do know what that means I presume..

May I respectfully ask that you don't refer to Chlorine washed chicken as "Chlorine chicken"?

Thanks.



Would you eat chicken from the USA BeElBeeBub? It's as safe as EU chicken, isn't it?

I particularly like mine in a Tikka Masala sauce, with rice and a couple of naans.  :frit:

You monster...eating your own nans.



Anyway, moving on..



This is c&p'd from a bunch of Americans so you get the idea about how they process food & drink, and their attitude towards H&S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/02/03/the-next-public-health-debate-hand-washing/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in ... d-washing/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/02/03/the-next-public-health-debate-hand-washing/




"really, no sign needed.



Now a business could on its own put up a sign advertising that its policies required handwashing just like any other advertisement to encourage business like a sale sign.

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I don't have a problem with it. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

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I've got to admit I did like flying a lot better before they deregulated it. Now it's a race to the bottom for comfort and service. I remember a couple of flights on Eastern Airlines which were open bar because we were a little late taking off. Nothing like free bloody marys to start the day off right.

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True that.



Actually, I was referring to the FAA regs governing flight operations and plane construction/maintenance.



There is a reason far fewer planes drop out of the sky nowadays....



......and that's why the industry is pursuing the root cause of the recent aircraft losses so rigorously

........so we can learn what went wrong, and take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again.

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Etc.



Ok. Maybe now you are realizing the gravity of the problem over there, and we already have enough salmonella and e-coli cases in the EU.



I thoroughly recommend the grauniad link I posted earlier

[Barry]

May I respectfully ask that you don't refer to Chlorine washed chicken as "Chlorine chicken"?

Thanks.



Would you eat chicken from the USA BeElBeeBub? It's as safe as EU chicken, isn't it?

I particularly like mine in a Tikka Masala sauce, with rice and a couple of naans.  :frit:

[BeElBeeBub]

Before some wag pops up with "we have chlorine in our tap water!"



"Chlorine chicken" is convenient shorthand for the differences in food production standards and philosophy between the UK and US.



Signing up to recognise US food standards as legal in the UK will have profound consequences on food production systems



If UK farmers are allowed to also follow US food standards - in effect changing UK standards tonIS ones -  it will have impacts on our environment and animal welfare. It will also have a huge effect on their ability to export to the EU, not only a closer market, but a bigger one.



If they are kept to UK standards it's likely they will go out of business with huge effects on the UK environment, food security, quality etc

[Borg Refinery]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/03/the-truth-about-chlorinated-chicken-review-an-instant-appetite-ruiner">https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ite-ruiner">https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/03/the-truth-about-chlorinated-chicken-review-an-instant-appetite-ruiner



'A parliamentary report picked out some key differences as including: "the US uses chemical washes, such as chlorine, in its production process... the US uses growth hormones in animal feed... GM foods are sold without labelling in the US... and... pesticides banned in the EU can be used in the US.""



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