United States Presidential election - 2020

[Nick]

Johnson isn't Trump clone. Johnson's emotional age is 13, while Trump's is 3.

Classic analogy thinking that Boris is stupid. He has hit the pinnacle of every single thing he has done. Whether it was school, uni or work he has been it the top. Do a bit of research before you equate him to having the mental age of 13.

[johnofgwent]

For over 100 years Britain/UK has needed the help or agreement of the USA (grudging or otherwise) for any of its overseas military or policing ventures.
Why would/should things be different now even though the UK has regained its sovereignty...?

You will of course recall Bush sending his uniformed lapdog to tell us if we did not join them as part of the anti-iraq solution, we were part of the problem. Now I would have told Coe Lynn Powell here, have three thousand body bags, you will need them.....

After the United Kingdom sacrificed its research into independent nuclear missiles to replace the bombs in its v bomber fleet, the yanks sold us down the river.

In the aftermath dad helped weaponise the Vulcans with new software and the very first thing we did was send one right under the Americans radar, at zero feet, right across North America, pulling up only in the last two hundred feet of a dummy bombing run on Norfolk, Virginia. And then only to show NORAD what ass holes they were.

The Yanks are not our friends.

They might be slightly less unfriendly than the Soviets under Kruschev, the Chinese under Mao, or the French under just about any Emperor since forever, but they are in no way shape or form our allies.....

[HDQQ]

The pundits are saying that Biden is likely to win because most of the votes still to be counted are mail-ins and a lot more Democrats used that method than did Republicans. But in the bar is still quite high for him to win in Pennsylvania, for example, with 7% still to count, with Trump on 50.1% and Biden on 48.7%.

Ironically, 'democracy' and 'republic' mean roughly the same thing. Democracy comes from ancient Greek 'rule by the people' while republic comes from Latin 'thing of the people'.

[Barry]

Looking at the figures, I can't see much chance of him winning.
With all the undeclared states he is winning, it takes him 3 short of 270. Biden only needs the 2 states he is currently ahead in counting to get the magic 270.
Looks like Goodbye Don, hello Joe.

[HDQQ]

Dont forget biden has already called johnson a "trump clone" , and he and his party deeply disaprove of brexit.


..and on the 6 counties...


https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1306334039557586944

rest assured new labour types and english remainers will be hoping  biden and his team put a lot of leverage against brexit.

As far as they are concerned , brexit isnt over till the fat lady sings.....

Johnson isn't Trump clone. Johnson's emotional age is 13, while Trump's is 3.

I don't think Biden would make much difference over Brexit apart from being more friendly and reasonable towards the EU (and just about anyone else, for that matter).

. . . 'fat lady sings' . . .  I'm trying to put out of my mind an image of Donald Trump in drag.

On a more serious note, it's still possible Trump could win.  His behaviour during the count has shown him at his worst and indeed proves that he is totally unfit for office.  I wonder how many of those who voted for him now regret it in the light of what's happened over the last couple of days. Probably only a small minority but enough to have given a different result.

[Barry]

Putting it bluntly.

Suez.

Up Yours. No Thomas, not yours, theirs.

That letter will be irrelevant come a Republican Congress. USA politics is going to be tough for the next 4 years.

[patman post]

Putting it bluntly.

Suez.

For over 100 years Britain/UK has needed the help or agreement of the USA (grudging or otherwise) for any of its overseas military or policing ventures.
Why would/should things be different now even though the UK has regained its sovereignty...?

[patman post]

Why? The American people are as powerless as we are.

But they appear to be in a better position to wreak deadly havoc should enough of them get upset:

According to the Small Arms Survey, there are more than 393 million guns in the U.S.1 That's more than one-third of all civilian-owned guns in the world, making America the No. 1 country in terms of gun ownership.
https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153#:~:text=Guns%20in%20the%20U.S.%20According%20to%20the%20Small,No.%201%20country%20in%20terms%20of%20gun%20ownership.

And the wild accusations being flung around by the Trump camp are hardly likely to keep Republican street fighters calm and reasonable...

[johnofgwent]

Putting it bluntly.

Suez.

Up Yours. No Thomas, not yours, theirs.

[Thomas]

Could be Tommy, but to my way of thinking there is not a lot of point in global influence. All it seems to mean is getting involved in rows at the arse end of the world and getting sod all thanks as a result.

I dare say that if the Seventh Fleet sails up the Thames and starts shelling London I might be concerned, but otherwise I ain't overly bothered about whatever Johnny Foreigner thinks.

ok , but the way i see it borkie is with trump in charge , america is mostly looking inwards and concentrating on its internal affairs , but if not , they will be looking outwards and concentrating on foreign affairs.

Up to you if you want to be dismissive of them , but wether we like it or not , they are a major player in both scottish and english politics , economics and military matters , and they have a lot of clout.

I cant see johnson , starmer , sturgeon or any other uk politician standing up to them on any issue in my opinion.

[Borchester]

i know what you are saying borkie , but in reality i think you are being overly dismissive of the situation.

Whatever the uk was a 100 years ago , today it is barely more than a regional power . Whatever global influence and power you might think it has is based solely on hanging onto the yank coat tails and being their patsy.

Could be Tommy, but to my way of thinking there is not a lot of point in global influence. All it seems to mean is getting involved in rows at the arse end of the world and getting sod all thanks as a result.

I dare say that if the Seventh Fleet sails up the Thames and starts shelling London I might be concerned, but otherwise I ain't overly bothered about whatever Johnny Foreigner thinks.

[Barry]

...but Biden won't cope with 4 years in office. I doubt he would be able to do just one. The leaves Harris to take over. It makes no sense at all. I really don't envy them their choice.

I think the fact that Kamala Harris can string a sensible sentence together without autocue or script was a big plus to the Dem campaign and will have added to their votes.
Not long to wait now, to see who has won. I do think the counting process always takes much longer than thought.
Trump does show his ignorance by saying "stop counting, we have won" when the postal votes have not been counted.

[Thomas]

...but Biden won't cope with 4 years in office. I doubt he would be able to do just one. The leaves Harris to take over. It makes no sense at all. I really don't envy them their choice.

Biden is just a weak senile figurehead and puppet for those behind the democrat scenes running the show and making the decisions.

Even if he did last the four years in power , he doesnt come across to me to have the forcefullness and domination of those around him that trump does.

Thats the worrying thing toots.

[Thomas]

i know what you are saying borkie , but in reality i think you are being overly dismissive of the situation.

Whatever the uk was a 100 years ago , today it is barely more than a regional power . Whatever global influence and power you might think it has is based solely on hanging onto the yank coat tails and being their patsy.

That is the situation  being honest about it.

The only two uk politicians i have seen actually stand up to the yanks over the last thirty years have been george galloway over the middle east and salmond over megrahi. Thats it.

Every other single major politician and uk prime minister has fell over backwards to lick american arses. The uk has a worldwide reputation outside these islands of being nothing more than an american stooge.

Im not saying biden will stop brexit , but a biden administration certainly is another hurdle thrown in the road  , and a cheerleader for those who want the status quo .

[T00ts]

From what I can gather the UK/US trade deal has pretty much gone tits up anyway, so we aren't likely to lose much. And despite Gerry's happy fantasies, these days Boston is full of blacks so what Nancy Pelosi hopes to gain from supporting the IRA is a bit beyond me.

Whenever Bill Clinton got caught with his trousers (which was most of the time), he usually declared war on somewhere. From what I can gather Joe Biden is happy with kiddie porn so the world should be left in peace. And America has thrived under no end of presidential numb nuts, so the Yanks should be ok.

All in all, this election looks to be a lot of cheerful fuss over not very much.

...but Biden won't cope with 4 years in office. I doubt he would be able to do just one. The leaves Harris to take over. It makes no sense at all. I really don't envy them their choice.