To the surprise of no-one...tracking app changes

[papasmurf]

However, I'm sure the company that made the app will simple and quietly fix it behind the scenes.

[Javert]

It does quite a bit of damage if someone is wrongfully imprisoned for 14 days.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-some-users-of-nhs-tracing-app-incorrectly-given-covid-19-exposure-alerts-12086225

They are not being imprisoned though - there is no instruction to self isolate if you receive a notification like that.  I suspect that is a notification that Apple or Google thinks you have passed near someone who had tested positive at some point - the app doesn't consider this as a valid exposure as the duration was too short or the distance too far.

However, it appears that these notifications are in dispute - the government is trying to blame apple/google for this and says it can't be switched off, but, other country users are not reporting this issue.  It's no surprise to me that the English government would try to blame someone else for their poorly programmed app, rather than just saying "this is a new app it has a few bugs which will be fixed in the next update" which is the normal thing with such apps.

If you have a government which continuously lies, refuses to accept responsibility for anything, and refuses to accept that anything it has done isn't already perfect and couldn't possibly need fixing, this would then be the result.

However, I'm sure the company that made the app will simple and quietly fix it behind the scenes.

[Borg Refinery]

It does quite a bit of damage if someone is wrongfully imprisoned for 14 days.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-some-users-of-nhs-tracing-app-incorrectly-given-covid-19-exposure-alerts-12086225

Unbelievable.

And people want us to blindly tether ourselves to this fucking BS? Really? And wonder why we iz nuf vexxed yeh bruv?

[Barry]

Obviously not, but they are legally obliged to dispose of the data after I think 30 days, and we are in a virus pandemic which requires additional measures.  Not to mention, a person's name, address and phone number is not really enough information to do any major damage and can in many cases be quite easily obtained by other sources.

It does quite a bit of damage if someone is wrongfully imprisoned for 14 days.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-some-users-of-nhs-tracing-app-incorrectly-given-covid-19-exposure-alerts-12086225

[patman post]

So you're ok with contact info being misused en masse then.

Misused? How so...?

[Javert]

Not really - they should offer a paper based checking option or a device at the entrance.  However I am ok with people not being admitted if they refuse to provide any contact info.

If it turned out that a large percent of people are giving fake contact info I might have to review my opinion.


So you're ok with contact info being misused en masse then.

Obviously not, but they are legally obliged to dispose of the data after I think 30 days, and we are in a virus pandemic which requires additional measures.  Not to mention, a person's name, address and phone number is not really enough information to do any major damage and can in many cases be quite easily obtained by other sources.

[Sheepy]

Just a word of warning for you neoliberal types, the scammers are using the App to con people out of their credit card details, don't fall for it.

[Borg Refinery]

So you're not in favour of this idea then?

Not really - they should offer a paper based checking option or a device at the entrance.  However I am ok with people not being admitted if they refuse to provide any contact info.

If it turned out that a large percent of people are giving fake contact info I might have to review my opinion.

So you're ok with contact info being misused en masse then.

[Javert]

So you're not in favour of this idea then?

Not really - they should offer a paper based checking option or a device at the entrance.  However I am ok with people not being admitted if they refuse to provide any contact info.

If it turned out that a large percent of people are giving fake contact info I might have to review my opinion.

[Sheepy]

Hey, Sheepy, you downloaded the life saving app yet?

No, but don't tell anyone!

[Borg Refinery]

So you're in favour of barring people who A) don't have smartphones (or don't take them with them, like me) and B) barring folks who don't wanna install a faulty phone app that saps battery life (read the comments on twitter - NHS worker NEEDS their fone for work, says they can't have the app) and C) you think folks should give their data will nilly on paper to the most trustworthy people ever...bartenders, when abuses have already occurred.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/test-trace-used-harass-women-already/amp/

You are sounding like another sycophantic Westminster party worshipper who unquestioningly obeys Bojo's commands.. what next? Brexit is unquestionably good for us?

As toots pointed out, I never said I was in favour of pubs doing that - I was just pointing out that under the law, if a pub decided to do that I'm not sure the customers could do much about it, other than go to a different pub with a paper check in option.  In Practice I suspect most pubs will offer a paper check in option and indeed I've seen that in the places I've been to.

OK Javert, my apologies.

So you're not in favour of this idea then?

[Barry]

Hey, Sheepy, you downloaded the life saving app yet?

[Javert]

So you're in favour of barring people who A) don't have smartphones (or don't take them with them, like me) and B) barring folks who don't wanna install a faulty phone app that saps battery life (read the comments on twitter - NHS worker NEEDS their fone for work, says they can't have the app) and C) you think folks should give their data will nilly on paper to the most trustworthy people ever...bartenders, when abuses have already occurred.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/test-trace-used-harass-women-already/amp/

You are sounding like another sycophantic Westminster party worshipper who unquestioningly obeys Bojo's commands.. what next? Brexit is unquestionably good for us?

As toots pointed out, I never said I was in favour of pubs doing that - I was just pointing out that under the law, if a pub decided to do that I'm not sure the customers could do much about it, other than go to a different pub with a paper check in option.  In Practice I suspect most pubs will offer a paper check in option and indeed I've seen that in the places I've been to.

[Borg Refinery]

I suppose that includes 100 MP's and over half the country, so we're all 5 year olds and Toots is the only grown up in the room. 

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That's cool, what's your favourite performance? I do like ballet quite a lot, actually.

There is a saying - if the cap fits!

Why yes, jumping up and down in frustration at others criticising the govt/ jumping up and down in frustration at the govt, is a winning strategy, one must do it as frequently as possible.   

am a bit of a classicist so I love the old classics. Swan Lake, Giselle, La Fille. I am not so keen on modern choreography partly because I don't always like the music but also some of it seems like choreography for choreography sake. I guess I don't follow the crowd in anything.

I only know the classics and have watched a couple of performances, that's all I know. Do they make new modern ballets? I guess they must but truthfully I was unaware..

Have you ever been to the Bolshoi?

I have seen them when they came here for the first time. A load of us queued outside Covent Garden for a week. Great fun. I also saw Nureyev with Fontaine when he first defected.  Happy days but hard.

That's great, they are very good.. I'll bet a lot were cr*pping themselves to get in but tickets were probably much cheaper back then. I heard that you had touts even then who would make an entire living from the various musical seasons and selling such..

I also saw Nureyev with Fontaine when he first defected.

White tights tend not to hide accidents...

Racist poops. And a patman to post..

[patman post]

I also saw Nureyev with Fontaine when he first defected.

White tights tend not to hide accidents...