Rebecca Long Bailey sacked

[T00ts]

It looks as though Starmer has lit the flame under the divisions in the Labour Party again. The new leader honeymoon might have ended.

[Nick]

Can't really say I like Long Bailey in fact I think she's a pillock,however she has said though she retwatted the message she wasn't endorsing the whole tweet.

Is this true? no idea but what I can say is over the various forums I have seen  posters pulled for liking this or that post......many replied that they liked it because they agreed with some or the majority but not all the content,I have in fact done that myself.

Is this what happened here? as I said don't really know but it's a possibility and I have no doubt Starmer found a convenient way of getting rid.   

From my perspective though it just highlights how polarised these various events are becoming where each side only sees the falt of the other.

Best way to show a party is reforming is to turn on its own issues, something Wurzel never did.
Apparently she was asked to delete her RT but refused, but like you I never liked her.

[cromwell]

Can't really say I like Long Bailey in fact I think she's a pillock,however she has said though she retwatted the message she wasn't endorsing the whole tweet.

Is this true? no idea but what I can say is over the various forums I have seen  posters pulled for liking this or that post......many replied that they liked it because they agreed with some or the majority but not all the content,I have in fact done that myself.

Is this what happened here? as I said don't really know but it's a possibility and I have no doubt Starmer found a convenient way of getting rid.   

From my perspective though it just highlights how polarised these various events are becoming where each side only sees the fault of the other.

[Good old]

It may have been an outright lie or untrue (although she may have believed it to be true at the time), but it still seemed to me that it's an attack on the Israel police force and not an anti-semitic attack - that's the part I'm not really following.  I actually thought there must be more to it - maybe this is a fake news story that's been circulating for a while on anti-semitic social media groups, in which case a politician arguably should have known about that fact.

Israeli "specialists" have trained British police in various tactics to neutralise people. That is a matter of public record not anti Semitic.

The British, media , and to some degree the Tory party,  As well as many Jewish, organisations, have made anything to do with Israel's actions as a state, beyond criticism . To do so is to criticize  all Jews according to them.

[papasmurf]

Interesting article about American police training by Israel:-

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

WITH WHOM ARE MANY U.S. POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING? WITH A CHRONIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR – ISRAEL

[Nalaar]

I'm willing to bet she didn't tweet that white lives don't matter in the way it's being spun on the media - where's the link to the tweet and story?

The full quote was "I'll say it again. White lives don't matter. As white lives. Abolish Whiteness."

It is possibly the worst way to construct a tweet on the topic imaginable.

What do YOU think she was TRYING to say then.

(this should be amusing)

I think the most charitable reading is that she was saying that the mattering of your life is not determined by your skin colour.

If that is what she meant, then at the very least her communication of the idea was terrible. Though I would suspect she intentionally chose this awful wording in order to provoke.

[Javert]

The full quote was "I'll say it again. White lives don't matter. As white lives. Abolish Whiteness."

It is possibly the worst way to construct a tweet on the topic imaginable.

Is she a philosopher or something?  My guess is she was trying to make some obscure complicated point of philosophy along the lines that colour of skin should not matter in any way in any context.

I highly doubt she was saying that black people are superior to white people which I suspect is what the haters are trying to claim.

[johnofgwent]

I'm willing to bet she didn't tweet that white lives don't matter in the way it's being spun on the media - where's the link to the tweet and story?

The full quote was "I'll say it again. White lives don't matter. As white lives. Abolish Whiteness."

It is possibly the worst way to construct a tweet on the topic imaginable.

What do YOU think she was TRYING to say then.

(this should be amusing)

[papasmurf]

It may have been an outright lie or untrue (although she may have believed it to be true at the time), but it still seemed to me that it's an attack on the Israel police force and not an anti-semitic attack - that's the part I'm not really following.  I actually thought there must be more to it - maybe this is a fake news story that's been circulating for a while on anti-semitic social media groups, in which case a politician arguably should have known about that fact.

Israeli "specialists" have trained British police in various tactics to neutralise people. That is a matter of public record not anti Semitic.

[Good old]

Maybe someone can help me understand this.

Best of luck with that Starmer sacks someone for questionable and frankly obscure reasons and Bojo The Clown supports a corrupt minister.

There is a bit of a difference. Long , Bailey, showed poor discipline for a shadow minister. She was spreading tittle tattle, not proven fact. And surely after the events of last year, The message must be, leave Israel, out unless your facts are spot on, and even then double check.  Bojo, supports a minister accused of wrong doing .Something that he is close to making habitual . At least one is trying to do the right thing. What is so worrying for me is ,so many people now don't seem to know which is which.

[Nalaar]

I'm willing to bet she didn't tweet that white lives don't matter in the way it's being spun on the media - where's the link to the tweet and story?

The full quote was "I'll say it again. White lives don't matter. As white lives. Abolish Whiteness."

It is possibly the worst way to construct a tweet on the topic imaginable.

[Javert]

If she supported this article she at that time would have been aware of the lines:

"The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd's neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services."

This was an outright lie.

(A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that "there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway".)

She would also have been aware of this:

There's a lot of people who should hang their heads in shame. People going, 'Oh, I can join the Labour Party again because Keir Starmer's there,' well shame on you."

That can be construed as anti-Starmer, although the following text sort of softens it a bit.

Good for Starmer to get rid.

Actually, I've learned a lot about Maxine Peake from this. She's a really great actress, but her politics stink.

It may have been an outright lie or untrue (although she may have believed it to be true at the time), but it still seemed to me that it's an attack on the Israel police force and not an anti-semitic attack - that's the part I'm not really following.  I actually thought there must be more to it - maybe this is a fake news story that's been circulating for a while on anti-semitic social media groups, in which case a politician arguably should have known about that fact.

[Borchester]

OK I'll have a go

The allegation AS IT IS NOW TOUTED on the mainstream media is that she shared a statement that the techniques used against the less than spotless george floyd were learned from the israelia.

The left have commences a counter allegation that the version she shared had been sanitised and approved by labour mission control as acceptable for her to submit.

I think that's the basis of it.

I don't give a f**k.

because right now I'm far more interested in the fact Cambrisge have defended, and then approved by promiting, some black bitch on their academic staff who twatted that white lIVES donet MATTER.

which according to cambridge, ISN'T racist.

I'm willing to bet she didn't tweet that white lives don't matter in the way it's being spun on the media - where's the link to the tweet and story?

As regards the other, I'm still not seeing how it's racist against Jewish people to make a (false or true whatever) claim about one nation's security services sharing dodgy restraint techniques with another.  It may be wrong or questionable, but I'm not seeing why it's racist.

Any chance that Starmer viewed her as a liability around his shadow cabinet table and having pacified her supporters in appointing her is now only too pleased for the excuse. In his position I would be too.

Every chance. Our Betty is a walking disaster area and major source of votes for the Tories. I wonder whom else Keir Starmer will fire on his march to the middle ground?

[johnofgwent]

As regards the other, I'm still not seeing how it's racist against Jewish people to make a (false or true whatever) claim about one nation's security services sharing dodgy restraint techniques with another.  It may be wrong or questionable, but I'm not seeing why it's racist.

I think you have totally misunderstood why she was sacked.

Starmer has said he made it his mission to re-establish the the party's reputation in the eyes of israel.

which means bending over and taking it up the shitter from his knesset masters on all things a friend of israel is supposed to think and do.

Starting with using the word anti-semitic all the time to mean hateed of the jews, which denies the palestinians their semitic heritage...

It's identity politics at its worst. But what can you expect when those same "lobbyists" state openly that no leader of thelabour party who is not a friend of israel can ever come to power in the UK...

[papasmurf]

Maybe someone can help me understand this.

Best of luck with that Starmer sacks someone for questionable and frankly obscure reasons and Bojo The Clown supports a corrupt minister.