Rebecca Long Bailey sacked

[srb7677]

It's just a part of an ongoing blood libel against Israel, which goes from eating Palestinian babies to training foreign police to kill unarmed men by kneeling on their necks, and many points in between.

Critiscism of a race is racist. Criticism of a state is not. You are wilfully conflating the two.

[Barry]

She was informed that the information In the tweet was incorrect and given the opportunity to remove it. She refused. End of story.

Quite.
This was the interview in the Indy:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/maxine-peake-interview-labour-corbyn-keir-starmer-black-lives-matter-a9583206.html

Peake is strident and expressive; if religion wasn't anathema to her, she'd be perfect in the pulpit. "Systemic racism is a global issue," she adds. "The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd's neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services."

The report was edited when it was pointed out to them that the Israelis have no such policy.

(A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that "there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway".)

It's just a part of an ongoing blood libel against Israel, which goes from eating Palestinian babies to training foreign police to kill unarmed men by kneeling on their necks, and many points in between.

[srb7677]

She was informed that the information In the tweet was incorrect and given the opportunity to remove it. She refused. End of story.

She was informed it had to be removed because it was anti-semitic. It was not.

[Nick]

Rebecca Long Bailey was sacked for reposting a tweet from Maxine Peake which stated that some US police forces received training from the Israeli police, and made the suggestion that the neck leaning technique might have been learned there. Whether any of this is factually accurate or not does not determine whether it is anti-semitic. The accusations in the retweet are against the police forces of another state which just happens to be Israel, not against the Jewish people or race.

In regarding that as a supposedly anti-semitic trope, what is happening is that criticism of Israel is being wilfully conflated with anti-semitism when it is not. To criticise an entire race would be racist. But to criticise the police forces of another state is not, regardless of whether or not such criticisms are factually accurate.

Wilfully conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism is a move best calculated to silence legitimate criticism of Israel, which is run my a far right government which oppresses another people and steals their land, and whose military forces seem able to kill with apparent impunity.

The sacking of RLB is also a provocative declaration of war against the party's left.

It stinks quite frankly.

She was informed that the information In the tweet was incorrect and given the opportunity to remove it. She refused. End of story.

[Streetwalker]

The sacking of RLB is also a provocative declaration of war against the party's left.

It stinks quite frankly.

Well it doesn't stink and its as clear as day that the labour party need to distance itself from the far left if it is to have any hope of being elected . I'm surprised Starmer didn't get rid of the  Marxist zealot early doors showing a weakness IMO in appointing her (to placate the corbynista )in the first place .

[srb7677]

Rebecca Long Bailey was sacked for reposting a tweet from Maxine Peake which stated that some US police forces received training from the Israeli police, and made the suggestion that the neck leaning technique might have been learned there. Whether any of this is factually accurate or not does not determine whether it is anti-semitic. The accusations in the retweet are against the police forces of another state which just happens to be Israel, not against the Jewish people or race.

In regarding that as a supposedly anti-semitic trope, what is happening is that criticism of Israel is being wilfully conflated with anti-semitism when it is not. To criticise an entire race would be racist. But to criticise the police forces of another state is not, regardless of whether or not such criticisms are factually accurate.

Wilfully conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism is a move best calculated to silence legitimate criticism of Israel, which is run my a far right government which oppresses another people and steals their land, and whose military forces seem able to kill with apparent impunity.

The sacking of RLB is also a provocative declaration of war against the party's left.

It stinks quite frankly.

[Nick]

Irrespective of anti semitism in labour criticising the Israeli govt is not anti semitism.

She wasn't sacked for anti-Semitism, she was sacked for RT'ing an incorrect conspiracy theory and refusing to retract it even after Peake had withdrawn it.

[Javert]

None of this really explains the point that to me, that small paragraph taken in isolation, whether it's true or not, doesn't seem to be an totally obvious example of an antisemitic conspiracy theory - to me it was an comment against the police and the Israel security service.

The only other explanation I've heard is that this is in the context where people of the Labour far left, tend to leap immediately upon anything Israel does and assume that it's true and evidence of evil without even checking the facts, whilst the same people seem to dither and say "we must wait for the facts" when faced with similar things done by Russia or other countries, and that it's this context which makes it into an antisemitic comment.

Even that being the case, surely you would have to provide some other quotes by Long Bailey along similar lines to prove the pattern that would make it antisemitic behaviour?

Anyway, I suspect that it's also to do with the fact that she was endorsing articles which basically were encouraging far left people to be against Starmer, and that's not consistent with being in his shadow cabinet.

[papasmurf]

Shooting terrorists is fine in my book. Two shots to the head, job done. British police are getting quite good at that.

That is Israeli training to British police. (Public Domain from the time of the  Menezes incident, seven shots used.) But it is more than two shots in order to destroy the amygdala and prevent twitching of the hands which may other wise trigger a  suicide vest.

[Barry]

Shooting terrorists is fine in my book. Two shots to the head, job done. British police are getting quite good at that.

[cromwell]

Interesting article about American police training by Israel:-

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

WITH WHOM ARE MANY U.S. POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING? WITH A CHRONIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR – ISRAEL

Irrespective of anti semitism in labour criticising the Israeli govt is not anti semitism.

And, as per the article above,Israel certainly trains foreign specialist officers in counter-terrorism, but that's very different from training ordinary police officers.
Kneeling on necks is not recommended anywhere.

Neither is shooting people out of hand but that is mentioned.

[Barry]

Interesting article about American police training by Israel:-

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

WITH WHOM ARE MANY U.S. POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING? WITH A CHRONIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR – ISRAEL

Irrespective of anti semitism in labour criticising the Israeli govt is not anti semitism.

And, as per the article above, Israel certainly trains foreign specialist officers in counter-terrorism, but that's very different from training ordinary police officers.
Kneeling on necks is not recommended anywhere.

[cromwell]

Interesting article about American police training by Israel:-

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

WITH WHOM ARE MANY U.S. POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING? WITH A CHRONIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR – ISRAEL

Irrespective of anti semitism in labour criticising the Israeli govt is not anti semitism.

[Barry]

Melanie Phillips's response
https://www.melaniephillips.com/jews-lives-matter/

Extract:
The outraged reaction of the Corbynites shows an incomprehension of antisemitism that would be comically imbecilic were it not such distressing evidence of ideological brainwashing. For they still cannot see what Starmer immediately recognised – that the claim was an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

One Corbynite declared that Starmer had merely displayed incomprehension of the northern working class. In other words, there was nothing wrong with Peake's claim, and Long-Bailey's sacking was just metropolitan liberal class treachery.

Even more extraordinarily, Corbyn's former deputy, John McDonnell, reacted with a display of antisemitism denial. He tweeted: "Throughout discussion of antisemitism it's always been said criticism of practices of Israeli state is not antisemitic. I don't believe therefore that this article is or @RLong_Bailey should've been sacked. I stand in solidarity with her".

[Thomas]

It looks as though Starmer has lit the flame under the divisions in the Labour Party again. The new leader honeymoon might have ended.

Hope so toots. Its going to be funny watching the blairites and hard left within the party tearing lumps out of each other.