Boris offers passports to HK citizens

[papasmurf]

Really,never have guessed but we're talking about the here and now.

Britain has no moral high ground.

[cromwell]

Whataboutery?..ahh yes the easy route to try to shut down so when you list the wrongdoing of some protesters that's not what about is it or dragging up the opium trade from the past either?
That you can't answer that put to you duly noted.

It is not possible to ignore the Opium wars. As with many things Britain has a shabby past.

Really,never have guessed but we're talking about the here and now.

[papasmurf]

Whataboutery?..ahh yes the easy route to try to shut down so when you list the wrongdoing of some protesters that's not what about is it or dragging up the opium trade from the past either?
That you can't answer that put to you duly noted.

It is not possible to ignore the Opium wars. As with many things Britain has a shabby past.

[cromwell]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

Well it's clear to see you have little time for the niceties of freedom of expression,still that's not surprising given your devout support for such fine examples of human rights like president for life Vlad and his sidekick Bashar al Assad.

If by Freedom of Expression you mean smashing up public property and transport systems, setting people on fire, mob attacks against anyone who speaks a contrary opinion against you and beating up anyone who speaks a different dialect from you, then yes I don't have much time for it. Are you saying you support such things?

Well of course not but it suits the narrative to ignore peoples freedoms are being ignored and guarantees of such disregarded,and regarding your support of such regimes,poisoning people,irradiating them international assasinations silencing opponents,human rights abuses,declaring elections won before the result being made president for life,Tibet,the Uighurs.....need I go on,do you support all that?

That is just a list in the best whataboutism tradition - each of those is a subject in its own right and most far more complex and nuanced that the load of old Bulwarks that gets presented in the press.
The fact remains that Hong Kong is part of China and lectures in morality from the Drug Dealers that snatched it by force of arms for a 100 years are not likely to be taken very seriously in Beijing.
I heard "T@@@ in a hat" Patten try to liken the HK rioters to the US civil rights movement or South Africa's Anti Apartheid movement. What a load of old twaddle. Movements in which members of one Ethnic Minority seek Social, Cultural and Legal equality which other Ethnic Groups in their country are the exact opposite of one in which a segment of the same Ethnic group seeking are to avoid Social, Cultural and Legal equality with their peers, in their own country. In short a bunch of spoilt brats fighting to maintain elite privilege for themselves.

Whataboutery?..ahh yes the easy route to try to shut down so when you list the wrongdoing of some protesters that's not what about is it or dragging up the opium trade from the past either?
That you can't answer that put to you duly noted.

[papasmurf]

The fact remains that Hong Kong is part of China and lectures in morality from the Drug Dealers that snatched it by force of arms for a 100 years are not likely to be taken very seriously in Beijing.

Quite.

[Sampanviking]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

Well it's clear to see you have little time for the niceties of freedom of expression,still that's not surprising given your devout support for such fine examples of human rights like president for life Vlad and his sidekick Bashar al Assad.

If by Freedom of Expression you mean smashing up public property and transport systems, setting people on fire, mob attacks against anyone who speaks a contrary opinion against you and beating up anyone who speaks a different dialect from you, then yes I don't have much time for it. Are you saying you support such things?

Well of course not but it suits the narrative to ignore peoples freedoms are being ignored and guarantees of such disregarded,and regarding your support of such regimes,poisoning people,irradiating them international assasinations silencing opponents,human rights abuses,declaring elections won before the result being made president for life,Tibet,the Uighurs.....need I go on,do you support all that?

That is just a list in the best whataboutism tradition - each of those is a subject in its own right and most far more complex and nuanced that the load of old Bulwarks that gets presented in the press.
The fact remains that Hong Kong is part of China and lectures in morality from the Drug Dealers that snatched it by force of arms for a 100 years are not likely to be taken very seriously in Beijing.
I heard "T@@@ in a hat" Patten try to liken the HK rioters to the US civil rights movement or South Africa's Anti Apartheid movement. What a load of old twaddle. Movements in which members of one Ethnic Minority seek Social, Cultural and Legal equality which other Ethnic Groups in their country are the exact opposite of one in which a segment of the same Ethnic group seeking are to avoid Social, Cultural and Legal equality with their peers, in their own country. In short a bunch of spoilt brats fighting to maintain elite privilege for themselves.   

[cromwell]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

Well it's clear to see you have little time for the niceties of freedom of expression,still that's not surprising given your devout support for such fine examples of human rights like president for life Vlad and his sidekick Bashar al Assad.

If by Freedom of Expression you mean smashing up public property and transport systems, setting people on fire, mob attacks against anyone who speaks a contrary opinion against you and beating up anyone who speaks a different dialect from you, then yes I don't have much time for it. Are you saying you support such things?

Well of course not but it suits the narrative to ignore peoples freedoms are being ignored and guarantees of such disregarded,and regarding your support of such regimes,poisoning people,irradiating them international assasinations silencing opponents,human rights abuses,declaring elections won before the result being made president for life,Tibet,the Uighurs.....need I go on,do you support all that?

[Sampanviking]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

Well it's clear to see you have little time for the niceties of freedom of expression,still that's not surprising given your devout support for such fine examples of human rights like president for life Vlad and his sidekick Bashar al Assad.

If by Freedom of Expression you mean smashing up public property and transport systems, setting people on fire, mob attacks against anyone who speaks a contrary opinion against you and beating up anyone who speaks a different dialect from you, then yes I don't have much time for it. Are you saying you support such things?

[cromwell]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

Well it's clear to see you have little time for the niceties of freedom of expression,still that's not surprising given your devout support for such fine examples of human rights like president for life Vlad and his sidekick Bashar al Assad.

[Sampanviking]

No need to worry, you are not about to be swamped by CIA sponsored HK blackshirts coming to smash up your towns and cities. I suspect very few will actually leave at all and hardly any of those will want to come to the UK.

The crap spewed out by our leaders and repeated by MSM is sickening in the extreme. The Joint Declaration is not a treaty, but an undertaking to abide by the provisions of the Basic Law.
If China has violated the Basic Law, then under what part of the Act has the violation occurred, and in what way is it a violation?
The introduction of a National Security Act by the HKEC was a requirement of the Act as per Article 23. When after more than twenty years, the HKEC failed to bring such an act into being Beijing undertook it to do so directly, under the provisions of Article 18 and Annex 3.

At the end of the day, the Fifty year period is a transitional period, which ends with HK fully integrated back into the mainland. The point of a transitional period is that things gradually change. There would be point having a transitional period which stayed the same for 50 years and then changed totally overnight at the end of it. We are half way through the transition and so obviously things are going to start having some major changes being introduced.
Guess the likes of Chris Patten still thinks he has the right to strut around in his plumed hat and tell everyone what they should be doing.

Hong Kong is a Chinese City in China, Sovereign Chinese territory. Those that think they come into it and do what they like will get the rude disabusement. Just like the Indians did a few weeks back in the Galwan Valley.

[cromwell]

Increasing reputation for Caribbean takeaways round Hackney (and clubs and restaurants, before Covid struck). Music also increasingly embraced — progressing from ska and reggae through roots and dub to White reggae and 2-tone. Nothing wrong in capitalising on one's attributes and having them embraced.and recognised by others...

Give over Pat you know full well were a white person to profile a black person as you have Chinese there'd be a furore.

[patman post]

Increasing reputation for Caribbean takeaways round Hackney (and clubs and restaurants, before Covid struck). Music also increasingly embraced — progressing from ska and reggae through roots and dub to White reggae and 2-tone. Nothing wrong in capitalising on one's attributes and having them embraced.and recognised by others...

[Nick]

We don't have the infrastructure to absorb the numbers if they all took this offer up.

But think of all the employment they could offer in laundries and food distribution operations...

Just to change tack, should what you posted be classed as racist cause I am damn sure if anyone racially profiled a black person in that way all hell would break loose. I don't see an issue at all, just putting the question out.

[Good old]

It's not even certain if China, will allow millions to leave

Why else do you think the UK gov't is doing that?  If they seriously thought China would let everyone from Hong Kong leave to the UK they wouldn't allow it - it's a win win for them - offer it in the full knowledge that China won't ever let more than a few of them out.

I think the only thing we can be certain of is this country could not add 3 million more bodies to the count now or in the near future unless massive improvements were made to, housing , the NHS, schools, and just about every Public service there is. For that reason any offer is a gamble. If Johnson changed the rules to allow 3 million to enter, he better hope the Chinese don't call his bluff . At the moment the Chinese threaten retribution ,  they would wouldn't they, even with little to worry about it seems. But who knows when dealing with the inscrutable.

[Javert]

It's not even certain if China, will allow millions to leave

Why else do you think the UK gov't is doing that?  If they seriously thought China would let everyone from Hong Kong leave to the UK they wouldn't allow it - it's a win win for them - offer it in the full knowledge that China won't ever let more than a few of them out.