Boris offers passports to HK citizens

[Sampanviking]

Maybe Boris should be offering such Visa arrangements to US citizens, especially those in the BLM civil rights movement.

Nah, we have plenty of head up their own arses losers of our own, we don't need any more

To Borchester - despite the huffing and puffing hardly any will leave HK and most of those will go elsewhere. UK is unlikely to have more than a few dozen.

Every little bit helps.

What do you think your going to get Borkie - they are just a bunch of spoilt WOKE brats that think the whole world should jump and pay attention to their every little fad and fancy. Add on top, that they are by and large from the Evangelical Born Again brigade mainly from Moonie and Moonie like churches in S Korea and Taiwan. This is half the reason they are up in arms, because the PRC bans "cults spreading superstition".
Still they started to wind up many of their organisations the moment Trump tweeted that he was ending their funding.

[Sheepy]

So what makes you think the Chinese will let the wealth be drained from Hong Kong by offering to take the chavs as well?

that will result in the UK receiving possibly millions of conservative Chinese who will back themselves to win and only want to be left alone while they do so.
Boris probably sees this as an early Christmas present.

Ah that old chestnut, millions of conservative voters, we have heard that one before.

[Good old]

All you do is show how gullible you are

I'm not gullible at all, I am pointing out that what you lay down as facts are incorrect. If you would like to point me to a fact that you think is correct and said is wrong feel free!

No Nick, I haven't quoted facts , I have stated opinions. It's my opinion that if you were Publicly critical of the the Chinese communist  government  In China, You would be banged up in two minutes. Now I know your going to say that's not a fact. But if you want to find out if your right go ,try it and see if I'm wrong. My opinion is I'm right.
That is not the only thing wrong  in China,  but it's the basis of everything wrong in China  and  the basis of the reason this country should keep that country at arms length. That's my opinion, and regardless of what you consider facts. All we really see  here is your opinion

[Borchester]

Maybe Boris should be offering such Visa arrangements to US citizens, especially those in the BLM civil rights movement.

Nah, we have plenty of head up their own arses losers of our own, we don't need any more

To Borchester - despite the huffing and puffing hardly any will leave HK and most of those will go elsewhere. UK is unlikely to have more than a few dozen.

Every little bit helps.

[Nick]

All you do is show how gullible you are

I'm not gullible at all, I am pointing out that what you lay down as facts are incorrect. If you would like to point me to a fact that you think is correct and said is wrong feel free!

[papasmurf]

To Borchester - despite the huffing and puffing hardly any will leave HK and most of those will go elsewhere. UK is unlikely to have more than a few dozen.

Personally I suspect the fleet of overloaded Junks are already on their way.

[Good old]

How many times you have been there cracks no ice , as the place is still a dictatorship, it's a one party state  end of

Firstly, it is a socialist state and secondly it isn't a one party system (see below), they elect a congress every 5 years. Just because the party gets a massive majority doesn't mean its a dictatorship. So I rest my case that what you think you know about China is wrong.

Communist Party of China (CPC)   
China Zhi Gong Party (CZGP)
Chinese Peasants' and Workers' Democratic Party (CPWDP)   
China Democratic League (CDL)      
Jiusan Society (JS)   
China Democratic National Construction Association (CDNCA)   
China Association for Promoting Democracy (CAPD)   
Taiwan Democratic Self-Government League (TDSGL)
Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang (RCCK)

All you do is show how gullible you are, and how gullible we would be to think China, has any regard for  our system of governance , or  any regard for our long term welfare. The organizations you list only exist because they exist in name but without the ability or in most cases the wish to  seriously criticize or condem government policy.  The recent passing of law affecting Hong Kong , illustrates  that  clearly,  when only a token vote opposed the introduction of the change. How the hell do you achieve that with genuine opposition ?
Nick, I,ll accept your a massive fan. But the bullshit doesn't work. And I maintain this country should review its relationship ,with a country that has basic political aims diametrically opposed  to our own. And has no intention of ever changing .

[Sampanviking]

So back to topic - the whole matter of offering potential citizenship to a certain class of HK passport holders rests on two accusations levied by Western political leaders
1) That the New Hong Kong National Security Law is in violation of the One Country Two Systems Constitution as laid out in the basic law.
2) That the new Honk Kong National Security Law is a draconian instrument.

So to respond
1) As previously posted, the HKNSL appears perfectly in line with the provisions of Article 23, Article 18 - Annex 3. If anyone has any idea as to which article the Security Law Violates and how it violates it, then please do come and share as I really do want to know.

2) How does the HKNSL stack up in severity against similar instruments in other countries, especially Western Liberal Democracies?
I think Nathan Rich offers a clear perspective in his latest video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jdp2JviTDA&t=24s

So propaganda,except you'll say it isn't and it's just the west with their propaganda against China lying all about them.

How exactly does a video of someone reading chapter and verse from the text of the US National Security Laws count as propaganda?

So you have the cheek to pull me on what about this or that and then post a vid on US laws,that's not what about is it

I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse.
So just to be clear and state the bl**din obvious.
This thread is about offering an extended visa to Chinese Residents of HK who may have BNO passport, and the chance to enter a process that may result in the prospect of UK citizenship (so really not very much at all)
This is being offered purely on the basis of the clauses and the penalties enacted by the HKNSL
It is therefore wholly relevant to obtain a perspective by comparing the clauses and penalties of the HKNSL to the NSL of Western Liberal Nations. In this instance, the self styled leader of the Free World, the USA.
All the more relevant as we had US Speaker of the Senate, Nancy Pelosi, denounce the HKNSL as draconian.
Lo and behold therefore, when it turns out that the clauses and penalties of the of the HKNSL pale into insignificance when compared to those of the USNSL.
Maybe Boris should be offering such Visa arrangements to US citizens, especially those in the BLM civil rights movement. I mean only a few weeks ago Trump was threatening to send the tanks against them. No?

To Borchester - despite the huffing and puffing hardly any will leave HK and most of those will go elsewhere. UK is unlikely to have more than a few dozen.

[Nick]

How many times you have been there cracks no ice , as the place is still a dictatorship, it's a one party state  end of

Firstly, it is a socialist state and secondly it isn't a one party system (see below), they elect a congress every 5 years. Just because the party gets a massive majority doesn't mean its a dictatorship. So I rest my case that what you think you know about China is wrong.

Communist Party of China (CPC)   
China Zhi Gong Party (CZGP)
Chinese Peasants' and Workers' Democratic Party (CPWDP)   
China Democratic League (CDL)      
Jiusan Society (JS)   
China Democratic National Construction Association (CDNCA)   
China Association for Promoting Democracy (CAPD)   
Taiwan Democratic Self-Government League (TDSGL)
Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang (RCCK)

[Borchester]

So what makes you think the Chinese will let the wealth be drained from Hong Kong by offering to take the chavs as well?

Because the Chinese government is dumb.

A lot of the folk in Hong Kong left the mainland because they did not like being told what to do by the Communist state. By allowing the Hong Kongese there will be a double filtration that will result in the UK receiving possibly millions of conservative Chinese who will back themselves to win and only want to be left alone while they do so.

Boris probably sees this as an early Christmas present.

[Sheepy]

So what makes you think the Chinese will let the wealth be drained from Hong Kong by offering to take the chavs as well?

[Good old]

a state that we have little in common with.

It's only a problem, because you seem to need it to be. Neither is wrong .

You stated that we had little in common with the Chinese state, no caveats included. The statement is only true when you include your proviso's.

I don't need a problem to exist, I'm not going around saying that China are the devil and we should distance our selves from them and reduce our trade with them. I've been there dozens of times and know the country warts an all. There are issues but that's because they are still emerging from total dictatorship, things have improved dramatically over the last 20 years.

It didn't need saying that China, could do some things we would not find objectionable . That's so obvious it shouldn't need saying. How many times you have been there cracks no ice , as the place is still a dictatorship, it's a one party state  end of , its adapting not emerging. Developing technology does not alter the aspirations of that regime. And it gives us no reason to believe we should embrace its technology without becoming open to its aspirations . Technology has always been the way to political hearts. Remember who built the Autobahns.

[cromwell]

So back to topic - the whole matter of offering potential citizenship to a certain class of HK passport holders rests on two accusations levied by Western political leaders
1) That the New Hong Kong National Security Law is in violation of the One Country Two Systems Constitution as laid out in the basic law.
2) That the new Honk Kong National Security Law is a draconian instrument.

So to respond
1) As previously posted, the HKNSL appears perfectly in line with the provisions of Article 23, Article 18 - Annex 3. If anyone has any idea as to which article the Security Law Violates and how it violates it, then please do come and share as I really do want to know.

2) How does the HKNSL stack up in severity against similar instruments in other countries, especially Western Liberal Democracies?
I think Nathan Rich offers a clear perspective in his latest video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jdp2JviTDA&t=24s

So propaganda,except you'll say it isn't and it's just the west with their propaganda against China lying all about them.

How exactly does a video of someone reading chapter and verse from the text of the US National Security Laws count as propaganda?

So you have the cheek to pull me on what about this or that and then post a vid on US laws,that's not what about is it

[papasmurf]

And another thread where you air your grievance against tories and Dwp.

So what? I am merely commenting that I can't see poverty alleviation scheme like Chinas ever happening on Britain.
For a start it would prove how many people are poor using real life research and fact finding.

[cromwell]

There are issues but that's because they are still emerging from total dictatorship, things have improved dramatically over the last 20 years.

The Chinese government is tackling poverty issues in a far more pragmatic way, than the UK is. But I doubt the current UK government and especially the DWP would go down the same road because of the amount of staff needed to carry out the number of on site inspections and minute detail of information gathering.

Some background:-
https://isdp.eu/publication/chinas-anti-poverty-efforts-problems-and-progress/

And another thread where you air your grievance against tories and Dwp.