Journalists, don't be part of the government's 'fake news' machine

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October 30, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=3040 time=1572417985 user_id=89
The "News" items were not assigned as being advertising, that is against the law. They were also full of lies. Whish is why the ASA is on the case.

Nothing seems to be against the law. Links 2 and 3 show pages clearly headed Advertising Feature from the  Department of Work and Pensions. The first link is reporting the row over the content. "Advertorial" is a legit way of getting info out and promoting goods or services...
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papasmurf

#24
October 30, 2019, 06:46:25 AM
Quote from: "patman post" post_id=3031 time=1572388860 user_id=70
Pages reproduced in those links clearly said they were an advertising feature...


The "News" items were not assigned as being advertising, that is against the law. They were also full of lies. Whish is why the ASA is on the case.
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#23
October 29, 2019, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: johnofgwent post_id=2969 time=1572374427 user_id=63
Funny,I thought most including Sky were part of Corbyn and McDonnells Fake News machine.



And news site that needs to put up a page saying why they can be trusted, can't be trusted.


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October 29, 2019, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=2919 time=1572360948 user_id=89
It is a paid for advertisement by the DWP but that is not stated, there already is an ASA investigation into similar propaganda exercises in the recent past:-



https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwps-universal-credit-metro-lies-backfire-by-sparking-new-campaign-network/">https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/d ... n-network/">https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwps-universal-credit-metro-lies-backfire-by-sparking-new-campaign-network/



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-adverts-metro-campaign-dwp-a8925691.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 25691.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/universal-credit-adverts-metro-campaign-dwp-a8925691.html



https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dwp-universal-credit-advert-metro_uk_5ce5146be4b0547bd12f591d">https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 7bd12f591d">https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dwp-universal-credit-advert-metro_uk_5ce5146be4b0547bd12f591d

Pages reproduced in those links clearly said they were an advertising feature...
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#21
October 29, 2019, 08:39:56 PM
You are being polite calling it dishonest debate, some are terrified of living in the real world of reality and only see what they want to see
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#20
October 29, 2019, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=3000 time=1572378589 user_id=69
I can see what the problem is, its a clear as day

Ah, I'm glad the penny has dropped. It's dishonest debate. However, you've tried to tackle it and expose it. We have no idea what these adverts looked like, so we cannot comment. The OP has referred them to the appropriate authority so there is no more needs to  be done.  :hattip
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October 29, 2019, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: "patman post" post_id=2908 time=1572358179 user_id=70
The current problem is that Trump's populist success is due to his "unconvential" direct approach to the truth, and this is being replicated around the English speaking world where political advisors ply their trade like itinerant sheep shearers...


I agree. Trump might have got it form Farage though. Hitler used it as well in times when the Germans were not happy chappies.
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#18
October 29, 2019, 07:49:49 PM
I can see what the problem is, its a clear as day
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papasmurf

#17
October 29, 2019, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=2979 time=1572375662 user_id=69
You censored my post, perhaps you did so to avoid the simple questions I did ask, here is my post were my simple questions too difficult for you ? is that why you cut that section out ?



 Quote ."



I know nothing about Benefits or Universal Credits or whatever its called these days



The DWP decides to place an advert in the paper it appears to me in order to clarify points of concern that people/claimants have raised about the Universal Credit System.



You claim this is Government Propaganda , is the advert not to your liking ? is it unhelpful? deliberately false and or misleading? or totally inaccurate and untrue ? or does it not go far enough for you?.



If the same advertisement word for word was published by the DWP and the Labour or Liberal Party were in Government would you call it Government Propaganda and Fake?



 Unquote



So exactly who is spreading propaganda the Government? the DWP ? or You?



No need to answer that I know


The DWP was behind "news" item that were actually advertisements. (They were not attributed, and that is illegal,)

The "news" items were full of propaganda and lies.

"New" items that are in fact anonymous advertisements are against the law.

If the DWP tries that again during a general election campaign they will be in breach of the representation of the people's act.



It is very simple and I provided more than enough links as to what the problem is.
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Churchill

#16
October 29, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: papasmurf post_id=2963 time=1572373641 user_id=89
I quoted what I needed to answer. The DWP lies are why all governments lie, to fool people.

The uncredited advertisements are against the law plain and simple which is why the ASA are on the case.




You censored my post, perhaps you did so to avoid the simple questions I did ask, here is my post were my simple questions too difficult for you ? is that why you cut that section out ?



 Quote ."



I know nothing about Benefits or Universal Credits or whatever its called these days



The DWP decides to place an advert in the paper it appears to me in order to clarify points of concern that people/claimants have raised about the Universal Credit System.



You claim this is Government Propaganda , is the advert not to your liking ? is it unhelpful? deliberately false and or misleading? or totally inaccurate and untrue ? or does it not go far enough for you?.



If the same advertisement word for word was published by the DWP and the Labour or Liberal Party were in Government would you call it Government Propaganda and Fake?



 Unquote



So exactly who is spreading propaganda the Government? the DWP ? or You?



No need to answer that I know
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johnofgwent

#15
October 29, 2019, 06:40:27 PM
Funny,I thought most including Sky were part of Corbyn and McDonnells Fake News machine.



And news site that needs to put up a page saying why they can be trusted, can't be trusted.
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papasmurf

#14
October 29, 2019, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=2958 time=1572372954 user_id=69
Any particular reason why you edited my post instead of  not quoting me if full?



They certainly looked liked advertisements to me, if wrong or misleading you or should I say those taking them to task may well their case providing of course they prove someone in the DWP deliberately lied. why they should I have no idea what is the motive?.


I quoted what I needed to answer. The DWP lies are why all governments lie, to fool people.

The uncredited advertisements are against the law plain and simple which is why the ASA are on the case.
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Churchill

#13
October 29, 2019, 06:15:54 PM
Any particular reason why you edited my post instead of  not quoting me if full?



They certainly looked liked advertisements to me, if wrong or misleading you or should I say those taking them to task may well their case providing of course they prove someone in the DWP deliberately lied. why they should I have no idea what is the motive?.
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papasmurf

#12
October 29, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=2933 time=1572365240 user_id=69
I know nothing about Benefits or Universal Credits or whatever its called these days



The DWP decides to place an advert in the paper it appears to  me in order to clarify points of concern that people/claimants have raised about the Universal Credit System.






The point is they are not being declared as advertisements when they are (Which is against the law.)

Which is why I posted links.

The "news" articles are a tissue of lies which also why the complaints to the advertising standards authority.



More at link:-



https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-credit-dwp-adverts-metro-newspaper-asa-advertising-standards-disability-charities-500159">https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-c ... ies-500159">https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-credit-dwp-adverts-metro-newspaper-asa-advertising-standards-disability-charities-500159



The Disability Benefits Consortium (DBC) – an umbrella group of 80 organisations including Age UK, the MS Society and the Royal British Legion – has written to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) about the DWP campaign, which it claims breached several advertising rules and could be "knowingly dangerous to the health and security of disabled people".



Universal Credit adverts that were published in Metro from 22 May claimed to "bust myths" about the controversial benefit. But the DBC, which also counts Macmillan Cancer Support, Scope and foodbank charity The Trussell Trust as members, has branded them "a disgrace" and urged the ASA to take action.

Misleading

The co-chair of the DBC, Anastasia Berry, said that the first four-page advertorial, entitled "Universal Credit Uncovered", appeared to resemble a news story but was in reality misinformation from the DWP "masquerading as facts".
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Churchill

#11
October 29, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
I know nothing about Benefits or Universal Credits or whatever its called these days



The DWP decides to place an advert in the paper it appears to  me in order to clarify points of concern that people/claimants have raised about the Universal Credit System.



You claim this is Government Propaganda , is the advert not to your liking ? is it unhelpful? deliberately false and or misleading? or totally inaccurate and untrue ? or does it not go far enough for you?.



If the same advertisement word for word was published by the DWP and the Labour or Liberal Party were in Government would you call it Government Propaganda and Fake?
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