Lexiters - how is it working out for you?

[Gliderman]

I feel betrayed by Labour.

[Ciaphas]

Shame there isn't a category for arrogance.



You really believe people voting leave is based on the level of education? Just shows how little grey matter you have.



In the 70's and 80's very few people went to University compared to the 50% of students that now attend. Simply using age as a measure you will instantly get a higher percentage voting remain who have attended University.



I therefore defuse that 99% of Xbox users voted remain, this is using the same pathetic method you're hanging your hat on.

Personal attacks are unhelpful.



I have not attached any value judgement or significance to these results despite your implication otherwise. I actually agree with your arguement that educational attainment is in part rooted in historic shifts in university attendance.



You asserted that peoples voting choice was not influenced by political preference, age, sex or education but judging from the results I feel there are grounds to consider potential causal relations between these factors and how people voted.

[Javert]

You really believe people voting leave is based on the level of education? Just shows how little grey matter you have.



In the 70's and 80's very few people went to University compared to the 50% of students that now attend. Simply using age as a measure you will instantly get a higher percentage voting remain who have attended University.

But you have just confirmed the theory yourself - you assert that leave voting had nothing to do with education level, and then in your second sentence you confirm that older people didn't on average have the same education level, therefore confirming the point you are arguing against.



The reality is the available data shows that education level was the single biggest correlation between leave and remain voting.  



If you don't think education level was relevant, you are either saying that you simply don't believe the data and it's all wrong, or, the correlation is not causal.  If you are saying that age was more important than education, again, the data showed a stronger correlation between education level and voting intention than age.



One issue though is that people with lower education levels are more likely to be in insecure or low skilled work, and therefore they will feel more threatened, whether justified or not, by free movement of people from other countries.



This is all keeping in mind that we are talking about causal links and not 100% of cases - the causation is very far from 100%, so a highly eduacated person was still (from memory) around 30% likely to vote leave, and the reverse for remain, so nobody is claiming that being less educated means you definitely voted leave or vice versa.

[T00ts]

Shame there isn't a category for arrogance.



You really believe people voting leave is based on the level of education? Just shows how little grey matter you have.



In the 70's and 80's very few people went to University compared to the 50% of students that now attend. Simply using age as a measure you will instantly get a higher percentage voting remain who have attended University.



I therefore defuse that 99% of Xbox users voted remain, this is using the same pathetic method you're hanging your hat on.

 :hattip

[Nick]

There were notable trends in terms of age, sex, level of educaion, employment status, employment and political leaning when it came to who voted leave or remain.



Why do you not think this is the case? It is reasonable to speculate that the strategy adopted by the leave campaign of targeting various swing voter groups with bespoke messages intended to win them over to the leave side would likely leave fingerprints in terms of voter demographics.



Just a few articles on the subject of voter demographics.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted">https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... tain-voted">https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted



https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/">https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a ... m-and-why/">https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/



https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8018301320">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

Shame there isn't a category for arrogance.



You really believe people voting leave is based on the level of education? Just shows how little grey matter you have.



In the 70's and 80's very few people went to University compared to the 50% of students that now attend. Simply using age as a measure you will instantly get a higher percentage voting remain who have attended University.



I therefore defuse that 99% of Xbox users voted remain, this is using the same pathetic method you're hanging your hat on.

[BeElBeeBub]

Worst climb down I have ever seen.

Sheepy back to not making sense again.  And me back to ignoring him until he comes up with something other than playground snark.

[Sheepy]

You're not subtle Sheepy and Leave voters are the ones who ignore warnings that no Deal Brexit could lead to deaths from medical shortages....



I assume you're alluding to the unquestionable fact that demographic drift (aka old people dying) is making the UK more remain over time.



I know pointing out facts is a bit of a no-no in Brexit circles but even you should be able to understand the difference between saying "old people die" and "I wish they were dead"

Worst climb down I have ever seen.

[BeElBeeBub]

The difference being,I do it in a nice subtle way,I haven't wished millions of people dead either,just so I could win.

You're not subtle Sheepy and Leave voters are the ones who ignore warnings that no Deal Brexit could lead to deaths from medical shortages....



I assume you're alluding to the unquestionable fact that demographic drift (aka old people dying) is making the UK more remain over time.



I know pointing out facts is a bit of a no-no in Brexit circles but even you should be able to understand the difference between saying "old people die" and "I wish they were dead"

[Sheepy]

Just remember this post when you complain that Remainers call Brexiters thick and uneducated.

The difference being,I do it in a nice subtle way,I haven't wished millions of people dead either,just so I could win.

[papasmurf]

Some voted because they thought it would reduce immigration,

They are going to be very disappointed.

[BeElBeeBub]

Alas that would take brains to understand Barry.

Just remember this post when you complain that Remainers call Brexiters thick and uneducated.

[BeElBeeBub]

Not sure how many times Sheepy and I have to tell you, it cannot be divided up between left and right, man or woman, educated or not, rich or poor...

Yeah it can.



This is just a rehash of the BS "we all knew what we voted for" trope.



The leave vote was a composite of many divergent (and sometimes opposing) reasons.



Some voted because they thought it would reduce immigration, some for more money for the NHS, some because the EU was a "capitalist club run by corporations" and others because "the EU is a socialist scam".  Some even voted because Turkey was about to join the EU.



There has been a lot of focus on the "right leaning" leave voters but there are some "left leaning" leavers who voted so that the UK could become a workers paradise with strong workers rights etc.



I suspect Brexit isn't shaping up how they imagined (which is universally true for all of us apart from the ones who voted leave for "the UK to implode over the next few years")

[Ciaphas]

Not sure how many times Sheepy and I have to tell you, it cannot be divided up between left and right, man or woman, educated or not, rich or poor...

There were notable trends in terms of age, sex, level of educaion, employment status, employment and political leaning when it came to who voted leave or remain.



Why do you not think this is the case? It is reasonable to speculate that the strategy adopted by the leave campaign of targeting various swing voter groups with bespoke messages intended to win them over to the leave side would likely leave fingerprints in terms of voter demographics.



Just a few articles on the subject of voter demographics.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted">https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... tain-voted">https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted



https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/">https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a ... m-and-why/">https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/



https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8018301320">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

[Scott777]

Are there any "Lexiters" here?



Despite Brexit being backed by some of the most rightwing of the Conservative party, there is (unfathomably in my eyes) a significant cohort of Labour brexit supporters.



Most notably Jeremy Corbyn.



Given the release of the WA text showing the level playing field requirements (aka minimum standards on workers rights) being deliberately moved out of the legally binding portion of the agreement.



Do you still think Brexit is going to help the working classes?

I'm a Mexiter - in the middle.

[Sheepy]

Alas that would take brains to understand Barry.