Breaking News Failing Grayling does not get the job.

[Good old]

Thanks ,Smurf, it would seem he will stand out on a specific issue then. It has been said that he just didn't like Boris, trying to place his man. Reading that it seems feasible .

He does have expertise and knowledge of security matters, unlike Failing Grayling who messes up where-ever he goes.

A bit of expertise, always  useful one would hope . Grayling, seems to be the proverbial square peg, always being presented to round holes.

[johnofgwent]

Well, theyworkforyou show he is trying to hold feet tonthe fire repealing that odious piece of shit legislation forced on us by that europhile bastard clegg, the fixed term parliaments a t


His question reveals F@@@ all has been done to shoot it down to date.

As long as he continues in this vein I will be well pleased.

[papasmurf]

Thanks ,Smurf, it would seem he will stand out on a specific issue then. It has been said that he just didn't like Boris, trying to place his man. Reading that it seems feasible .

He does have expertise and knowledge of security matters, unlike Failing Grayling who messes up where-ever he goes.

[Good old]

For starters who is this ,Julian Lewis,?

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10358/julian_lewis/new_forest_east

Thanks ,Smurf, it would seem he will stand out on a specific issue then. It has been said that he just didn't like Boris, trying to place his man. Reading that it seems feasible .

[papasmurf]

For starters who is this ,Julian Lewis,?

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10358/julian_lewis/new_forest_east

[Good old]

Speculation can be helpful in diminishing an opponents credibility.

*Consider - There is 'nothing to hide' but the report is delayed anyways, this causes speculation, which the government can publicly deny, all the while vague reasons cause the report to be delayed further, much more than any reasonable delay would allow for. This causes ever greater speculation, and at some point the apparent lack of care to publish the report in spite of the growing speculation causes even more speculation. Then - the report is released. The details of which are much less critical of the government than all the speculative possibilities. This allows the government to have a line of 'see, we weren't covering up anything, like we said, you just got carried away'

*This form of gaslighting is something that I think the government is capabile of, and would be effective, but it's also possible the report itself is very damning.

What he said ^^^   .  I suspect the actual content of the report is not as damaging as some people hope, or at least inconclusive and ambiguous.  Either way, I'm sure the government will claim that the report is a glowing endorsement of their amazing leadership no matter what the actual written contents are.

I suspect this is going to throw up many more questions than answers. It already has. For starters who is this ,Julian Lewis,? And what are his motives? Staunch Brexit loyalist, they say, bites his masters hand. Would he do that for little or no reason or gain?
And then today Raab ,seems to think a huge dossier was not just leaked but hacked . Either way doesn't alter its contents, but it does alter the nature of the security breach. And the question then is just how weak is the security surrounding such documents ?. And how much more has or could be taken this way. ?With leaks being so common place it could be asked If the Russians needed to hack the dossier. ?I expect Raab, and Cummings, will work late on this for a week or so , leaving us the public no better informed at the end of it , just a longer list of questions to ask.

[Javert]

Speculation can be helpful in diminishing an opponents credibility.

*Consider - There is 'nothing to hide' but the report is delayed anyways, this causes speculation, which the government can publicly deny, all the while vague reasons cause the report to be delayed further, much more than any reasonable delay would allow for. This causes ever greater speculation, and at some point the apparent lack of care to publish the report in spite of the growing speculation causes even more speculation. Then - the report is released. The details of which are much less critical of the government than all the speculative possibilities. This allows the government to have a line of 'see, we weren't covering up anything, like we said, you just got carried away'

*This form of gaslighting is something that I think the government is capabile of, and would be effective, but it's also possible the report itself is very damning.

What he said ^^^   .  I suspect the actual content of the report is not as damaging as some people hope, or at least inconclusive and ambiguous.  Either way, I'm sure the government will claim that the report is a glowing endorsement of their amazing leadership no matter what the actual written contents are.

[Nalaar]

The fact that it has taken so long to publish, is reason enough to suppose it contains  stuff they don't want public.
Why invite the speculation if it didn't ?

Speculation can be helpful in diminishing an opponents credibility.

*Consider - There is 'nothing to hide' but the report is delayed anyways, this causes speculation, which the government can publicly deny, all the while vague reasons cause the report to be delayed further, much more than any reasonable delay would allow for. This causes ever greater speculation, and at some point the apparent lack of care to publish the report in spite of the growing speculation causes even more speculation. Then - the report is released. The details of which are much less critical of the government than all the speculative possibilities. This allows the government to have a line of 'see, we weren't covering up anything, like we said, you just got carried away'

*This form of gaslighting is something that I think the government is capabile of, and would be effective, but it's also possible the report itself is very damning.

[Good old]

The fact that it has taken so long to publish, is reason enough to suppose it contains  stuff they don't want public.
Why invite the speculation if it didn't ? And of course why the urgency surrounding Graylings , position in the chair?

There is now a very long list of reports the government has been delaying publication.

It's already gathered plenty of speculation. Nine months is a long time to hang on to this , normal period being a couple of weeks. Little wonder we  are queuing up to speculate. It was always going to be interesting ,if only to watch an attempt to cover something up. This business has lifted a lid it seems. Can only think Grayling was going to be a vital cog in the business of damping the whole thing down.

[papasmurf]

The fact that it has taken so long to publish, is reason enough to suppose it contains  stuff they don't want public.
Why invite the speculation if it didn't ? And of course why the urgency surrounding Graylings , position in the chair?

There is now a very long list of reports the government has been delaying publication.

[Good old]

Why is the report still not for public consumption?

It could well be published at the end of today.

The fact that it has taken so long to publish, is reason enough to suppose it contains  stuff they don't want public.
Why invite the speculation if it didn't ? And of course why the urgency surrounding Graylings , position in the chair?

[papasmurf]

Why is the report still not for public consumption?

It could well be published at the end of today.

[Good old]

This is strange to say the least. The mere fact that Lewis, saw fit to run, is cause  for attention. Everything here seems too revolve around that report  on Russian involvement in our affairs. Yet to be published report. . Lewis, has lost the whip,  but who else backed him?  One things for sure, Boris, Cummins, wanted control of that chair, enough to risk drawing this kind of attention on to an already contentious issue.  Why is the report still not for public consumption?

[cromwell]

This is now getting interesting:-

https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301

Wednesday 15 July 2020 20:21, UK

Dr Julian Lewis has Tory whip removed after running against PM's security committee chair pick

A Tory MP who defeated Downing Street's pick to be the new Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) chair has had the whip removed.

Dr Julian Lewis is no longer sitting as a Conservative in parliament after he ran against the government's nominee for the top job - Chris Grayling - and won.

A senior government source said the punishment was for "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage".

Good reason to have more independent MP's.

[papasmurf]

This is now getting interesting:-

https://news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301

Wednesday 15 July 2020 20:21, UK

Dr Julian Lewis has Tory whip removed after running against PM's security committee chair pick

A Tory MP who defeated Downing Street's pick to be the new Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) chair has had the whip removed.

Dr Julian Lewis is no longer sitting as a Conservative in parliament after he ran against the government's nominee for the top job - Chris Grayling - and won.

A senior government source said the punishment was for "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage".