General Brexit discussion thread

[BeElBeeBub]

We are one of those mistakes.



Let us see how much responsiblity they are willing to take for our leaving.



I'm not really expecting the EU to collapse.

It might, but I sort of see it as a gradual decline.

To diminish.



A loss of authority and expectation.



Sort of like how after the Cold War the same sorts of people thought the UN was going to be the world government.

The rule of international law.

And then the Iraq War showed everyone that the UN had no authority or ability to stop the very things they wanted it for.

To curb American hegemony for example.



And then people all lost interest. Found a new medium towards that goal.

The EU.



But as it fails to live up to unrealistic hopes, a new medium will be found to replace that social need.

That aspiration for global power/world government etc.



We have dminished them.

That is all.

Showed them where the ceiling to their power is and scaled back their influence in the world.

It's not a bad thing in and of itself.

Those sort of people are dangerous. They need to be kept in check.

Funnily enough I think the above will happen to the UK



Loss of authority and expectation

Loss of influence, slipping down the various measures of wealth and power.

Gradual decline, maybe breakup.



In the 20th century the UK was geographically and politically placed to link the US and Europe into "the west"



With the US's reputation teetering on the brink and China now rising, Europe will have to engage more with china and less with the US. If China reclaims it's usual position as the center, the UK is geographically, politically and culturally in the wrong place.

[Baff]

We are one of those mistakes.



Let us see how much responsiblity they are willing to take for our leaving.



I'm not really expecting the EU to collapse.

It might, but I sort of see it as a gradual decline.

To diminish.



A loss of authority and expectation.



Sort of like how after the Cold War the same sorts of people thought the UN was going to be the world government.

The rule of international law.

And then the Iraq War showed everyone that the UN had no authority or ability to stop the very things they wanted it for.

To curb American hegemony for example.



And then people all lost interest. Found a new medium towards that goal.

The EU.



But as it fails to live up to unrealistic hopes, a new medium will be found to replace that social need.

That aspiration for global power/world government etc.



We have dminished them.

That is all.

Showed them where the ceiling to their power is and scaled back their influence in the world.

It's not a bad thing in and of itself.

Those sort of people are dangerous. They need to be kept in check.

[Borg Refinery]

But your side is.

Both, yes.



The EU usually exceeds my expectations as well as living up to them, no excuses are made for that.



They have failed rather badly with C19 and it may be the end of the EU, for that, but no one has handled it well; the difference is that the EU tend to take responsibility for their mistakes unlike certain govts..

[Baff]

But your side is.



It's not just hedge funds that have made money off the Pounds devaluing.

It is all domestic industry. All export industry and all tourist industry.



It's been incredibly good for redressing our balance of trade.

An issue I have deep concerns about.



And has boomed the economy in all those places that we had wanted to grow as a priority.

I don't suppose you remember how hard the government has been actively trying to devalue the Pound against rival currencies for the last decade or more as an overt fiscal policy.

And bang. The referendum result delivered what all those idiots never could. Overnight.



We call it the Brexit Bounce.

It has resulted in record exports and record inwards investment.

Not to mention the record employment that comes with this, and wage rises etc.

Not bad ay?



Yeah. "The experts".

Uh-huh.

[Borg Refinery]

Well, you've chosen your side.

It's not this country's side.



And I'll bare that in mind when listening to your advice for it.

Don't take my advice, but listen to people who are experts at least.



You might want to read this



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -the-crash">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash



Your 'side' isn't what you think it is.

[HallowedBrexit]

This is the new normal.

Trade disputes and fisheries disutes with the EU will continue on as they have always done.

The difference if anything at all is that they will all be out in the open now.

That politicians can stand for election on such policies.



It doesn't end in December.

Where we choose deal or no deal and either resolution finishes the debate.

It is on going and forever, luckily we are in a much more flexible position to change our policies to fit our current and ever developing circumstances now.

 :hattip

[Baff]

This is the new normal.

Trade disputes and fisheries disutes with the EU will continue on as they have always done.

The difference if anything at all is that they will all be out in the open now.

That politicians can stand for election on such policies.



It doesn't end in December.

Where we choose deal or no deal and either resolution finishes the debate.

It is on going and forever, luckily we are in a much more flexible position to change our policies to fit our current and ever developing circumstances now.

[Thomas]

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That post and name has to be a feckin wind up.



Sounds like some upset remainer has set up yet another sock puppet .



Feck me , we are only in june ......imagine what they will be like by november and trumps re election and facing hard brexit?

[HallowedBrexit]

Well, you've chosen your side.

It's not this country's side.



And I'll bare that in mind when listening to your advice for it.

This is true. It's time to take back control.



The EU needs to go. We will take our fisheries back. We will rebuild our surface fleet. We will strengthen our ties with the US and the Commonwealth. We will make towns like Hartlepool and Sunderland jewels of this country again.



Exciting times are ahead and the decline and breakup of the EU is at hand, exactly like Nigel Farage has foreseen.



 :hattip

[Baff]

Well, you've chosen your side.

It's not this country's side.



And I'll bare that in mind when listening to your advice for it.

[Borg Refinery]

We are out.

There is a limited danger that much of the advantage of our leaving could be negotiated away again in any future trade deal with the EU.

...? This is pure speculation.

But the omens are all good right now.

It's a very optimisitic time for us.

..And more subjective opining.



A very baffling approach indeed, but whatever.  

[Borg Refinery]

I have no idea who you are supporting.

It seems to me that you are supporting foreign governments and foreign countries.

Presumably you prefer them to our own.

Absolutely. IMHO our govt is against the interests of the majority and will mess Brexit up extremely effectively, we will not do well under this govt. Sometimes outsiders are better than the saboteurs among your own.



But like I said, you presumably voted for it and you and the country get what you voted for. I just hope it's what you thought it'd be is all..



I uphold a country getting whatever it votes for, and that's Bojo and NDBrexit, but I don't support it in any way.

Remain?

We have left the EU.

We were polled. We decided. We have enacted that decision.

(shrugs)



If Boris manages to leave at all, don't be surprised if we rejoin at some point.



You will be very, very upset by that I take it..



PS:



The govt aren't on the country's side - by supporting them; you are backing their narrow self-interests, not the general good - not me.

[papasmurf]

It's a very optimisitic time for us.

What are you smoking? The situation is dire.

[Baff]

We are out.

There is a limited danger that much of the advantage of our leaving could be negotiated away again in any future trade deal with the EU.



But the omens are all good right now.

It's a very optimisitic time for us.

[Thomas]

I have no idea who you are supporting.

It seems to me that you are supporting foreign governments and foreign countries.

Presumably you prefer them to our own.





Remain?

We have left the EU.

We were polled. We decided. We have enacted that decision.

Well said baff. Time to finally get over the line at the end of the year and brexit , what the people in your country voted for.



Dont let the anti democrats stop you , deal or no deal with the eeeeeuuuuuuu. :thup: