General Brexit discussion thread

[papasmurf]

You will find our WTO schedule to be modelled on this principle.

Really?  You do know the WTO is in crisis?  Also there isn't an our WTO schedule.

[Baff]

Do they?
Funny how you liked tariffs until they were applied to you.
.

I seek trade protection where it advantages us and free trade where it advantages us.
The aim is to advantage us, not to promote some wierd economic dogma.


So typically, I want free trade with complimentry economies.
Countries that sell produce we don't make and buy produce we do.
Jamaica for example.

And I want protection for all our domestic industries, especially the critical ones.
You will find our WTO schedule to be modelled on this principle.

[Cor Blimey!]

Place tariffs on foreign cars for starters.

Wasn't so long ago that Brexiters were calling tariffs a 'protection racket'. Now protectionism is the basis of their own economic model. Seems the average brexiter can contradict himself an infinite number of times in just one day.

[papasmurf]

Place tariffs on foreign cars for starters.
Helping to replace their exports with domestic sales and domestic part production.

It can also reduce VAT on cars.
Subsidise the car industry.
Offer them tax breaks.

Create free ports to speed their supply chains.

It can lower the value of the Pound.
Encouraging new investment and exports at the same time.
The fall in the value of the £ for example since Brexit > 10% EU tariffs and provides advantage to all export markets not just the EU.


Most importantly of all it can continue to be the primary research hub for car technology on the planet.
The epicentre of innovation in that industry.

Sounds wonferful.  How do you expect all that to be in place by January the 1st 2021.  (Assuming there are any car assembly lines left in Britain.)

[Baff]

Place tariffs on foreign cars for starters.
Helping to replace their exports with domestic sales and domestic part production.

It can also reduce VAT on cars.
Subsidise the car industry.
Offer them tax breaks.

Create free ports to speed their supply chains.

It can lower the value of the Pound.
Encouraging new investment and exports at the same time.
The fall in the value of the £ for example since Brexit > 10% EU tariffs and provides advantage to all export markets not just the EU.


Most importantly of all it can continue to be the primary research hub for car technology on the planet.
The epicentre of innovation in that industry.

[patman post]

This was the view of the UK motor industry in 2015, before Brexit and Covid:

The UK's automotive industry will break the current record for vehicle manufacturing in 2020, a new report has predicted.
The report, commissioned by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) says that in five years time, the UK's automotive industry will be producing more than two million cars per year - breaking the current record of 1.92 million cars produced in a single year, set in 1972. Currently, annual output stands at around 1.5 million vehicles.
Key to the rise in manufacturing is a continuing trend towards premium produces. The SMMT says that in 2010, 37% of the UK's car production was by 'premium' manufacturers, with that figure expected to rise to 54% by 2020. The UK is currently the second-highest producer of premium cars, behind Germany.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/uk-car-industry-course-break-manufacturing-record-2020

Now, with UK-manufactured marques owned by Chinese, French, German, Indian, and Japanese companies, and only a couple of specialist manufacturers in local hands, what can the UK do to maintain income from this sector of the transport market?  Can green energy, battery technology, electric vehicles boom quickly enough to boost the economy...?

[Jaydee]

fact is a lot of people driving audi merc and bmw will be happy to see the price rise and make their car more exclusive. Sales will fall for these manufacturers in the uk but not by that much. They will just have 2 types of car, the poverty model with windey up windows for the wannabe that looks at price.
How can people in here after 4 yrs come out still with the German car industry and the 'they need us more than we need them' slogans.
May did a deal with Nissan, what was it 70m to stay, big brown envelope to stay and Nissan are leaving, maybe they need to give 70m a yr and nissan might stay, doubt it though.

May did not do a deal.  She bribed them.  And when a Prime Minister does that and the cabinet office denies it.  It comes into the level of Big Kranky Bojo and his garden Bridge. Lying, cheating and downright incompetence. That is not what tax payer money is for. It then begs the question.  Who else is being bribed to stay.  And you are correct.  None of them will stay.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/nissan-leaves-tories-to-explain-why-they-cant-even-manage-a-bribe
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-autos/bmw-peugeot-go-ahead-with-uk-plant-shutdowns-despite-brexit-delay-idUKKCN1RD2M6

[Sheepy]

The UK makes up 15% of German car sales, 1 out of every 7. That is fact, not some made up story. Do you think Audi, BMW and Mercedes are just going to let that share of the market just disappear without a fight?

The UK hasn't manufactured a car from scratch for decades, they are only assembly plants. All foreign owned, as we are on about the skewed facts. Not long now. I can feel the panic building. They will never pull it off, I wouldn't bet on it if I was Tony Blair.

[Cor Blimey!]

fact is a lot of people driving audi merc and bmw will be happy to see the price rise and make their car more exclusive. Sales will fall for these manufacturers in the uk but not by that much. They will just have 2 types of car, the poverty model with windey up windows for the wannabe that looks at price.
How can people in here after 4 yrs come out still with the German car industry and the 'they need us more than we need them' slogans.
May did a deal with Nissan, what was it 70m to stay, big brown envelope to stay and Nissan are leaving, maybe they need to give 70m a yr and nissan might stay, doubt it though.

Yeah, I read that Peugeot were looking into relocating to South East Europe. Can't remember where exactly, but somewhere in the EU.

[GerryT]

Yep! Facts just bounce right off them.

fact is a lot of people driving audi merc and bmw will be happy to see the price rise and make their car more exclusive. Sales will fall for these manufacturers in the uk but not by that much. They will just have 2 types of car, the poverty model with windey up windows for the wannabe that looks at price.
How can people in here after 4 yrs come out still with the German car industry and the 'they need us more than we need them' slogans.
May did a deal with Nissan, what was it 70m to stay, big brown envelope to stay and Nissan are leaving, maybe they need to give 70m a yr and nissan might stay, doubt it though.

[Cor Blimey!]

Yes I know.  It is 14% of the German car industry. That will not be lost.  It will just cost the UK customer more. But it does not matter what evidence you put.  It falls on deaf ears.

Yep! Facts just bounce right off them.

[Jaydee]

Mathias Wissman, President of the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA), has said that maintaining the integrity of the single-market is more important to it than a deal.

Yes I know.  It is 14% of the German car industry. That will not be lost.  It will just cost the UK customer more. But it does not matter what evidence you put.  It falls on deaf ears.

[Cor Blimey!]

The UK makes up 15% of German car sales, 1 out of every 7. That is fact, not some made up story. Do you think Audi, BMW and Mercedes are just going to let that share of the market just disappear without a fight?

Mathias Wissman, President of the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA), has said that maintaining the integrity of the single-market is more important to it than a deal.

[Jaydee]

The UK makes up 15% of German car sales, 1 out of every 7. That is fact, not some made up story. Do you think Audi, BMW and Mercedes are just going to let that share of the market just disappear without a fight?

As I have stated.  The UK sells 50% of its cars to the EU.  And if you think the German car industry is going to come riding over the sunset.  There is not much I can say.   However just you believe. They need us more than we need them.  Then have a look at the myths and the real world. One in five automotive companies have already lost business; thousands of jobs are being lost – and the UK hasn't even left yet.1 This is reality.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/07/13-automotive-brexit-myths-busted/

[Baff]

The EU does not care what is best for the economy at all.
Never has.

It has a track record of putting politics first and will continue to do so.