General Brexit discussion thread

[GerryT]

Good for them. So how much is that then, per dose ...


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-vaccine-prices/eu-agreed-1550-euros-per-dose-for-pfizer-vaccine-document-idUKKBN28V0YO


Seems the EU have agreed to pay 15 Euros a dose


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/23/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-everything-we-know-so-far


This is an old article but it looks like the Oxford Vaccine will be costing the NHS a fraction of that. Oh dear. Looks like the EU have been screwed by the Viagra Makers.


And newer newspaper articles suggest it's £3 a shot.

I haven't seen prices but what I read was all vaccines cost a different price, the AZ one being much cheaper than the Pfizer one. But Johnson bought 40 million of the Pfizer Vaccine and the EU have a po for 300m of the AZ one. The EU has PO's with 7 c19 companies and so does the UK, the point being the UK is paying a higher price, most likely because it's purchasing 10 times less. Your point is mute.

My earlier point to toots is C19 is not a competition, that the EU is not sitting on it's laurels, jsy because a USA/EU company made the first vaccine and the UK rushed the approval process doesn't make the UK a world beater. People all over the world have been working to find a way out of this.

[Borg Refinery]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

― Mark Twain

Anyway, the long and short of it is around a 3% predicted drop in economic output and then the metrics vis a vis the EU 27 who haven't done too shabbily from 2016-2019, I had the graph somewhere but it's wasted on the illiterate innumerate or plain delusional QAnon Viking shamans or a combo of any of those 3 soo...

https://mobile.twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1281939318261665793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1281939318261665793%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Awesome dude!   

[johnofgwent]

You see this is where your version of reality is warped.

First the EU has purchased 600 million vial's of the Pfizer vaccine, Pfizer are planning on making 1.3b vial's by the end of this yr, the cost to the EU is one quarter what the UK is paying and while the UK started injecting quicker the EU is not far behind. Thankfully a German/American company made the vaccine with people all around the globe working on this. You shouldn't make covid a competition, it's not the UK v EU.

At least most, not all, EU countries tried to contain the deaths by CV19. The UK is winning in those stakes also, running at about 3 times the death rate of Ireland. But it's not a competition, we are all fighting this together, or should be.

It's not an either or. The UK has to resolve the trade barriers it has introduced AND manage c19.

Good for them. So how much is that then, per dose ...


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-vaccine-prices/eu-agreed-1550-euros-per-dose-for-pfizer-vaccine-document-idUKKBN28V0YO


Seems the EU have agreed to pay 15 Euros a dose


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/23/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-everything-we-know-so-far


This is an old article but it looks like the Oxford Vaccine will be costing the NHS a fraction of that. Oh dear. Looks like the EU have been screwed by the Viagra Makers.


And newer newspaper articles suggest it's £3 a shot.

[Barry]

blabla.

Noticed anything different in Hastings?
Is the beetroot salmon still available?

[T00ts]

Am I the only one, that seeing multiple links to click in a thread, thinks, life's too short to click on all these.

No you're not alone!

[Barry]

Am I the only one, that seeing multiple links to click in a thread, thinks, life's too short to click on all these.

[johnofgwent]

My thoughts exactly! I am sick and tired of the wailing and gnashing of teeth. People with little or no vision, no determination, no effort. Happy to sit on their butts moaning while others do the work. I just read that it will be the young who come of age during the pandemic and Brexit who will be the real entrepreneurs of the future, and I for one can believe it. I am fed up of the defeatism constantly voiced.

I suppose I got lucky


I got thrown out of my dream job, and swiftly found another designing better ways to kill people in industrial numbers.


When the employer paying me to do that went bankrupt, I went out and started working for myself, spitting in the face of adversity and with a wife three months pregnant for the third time... Sheer madness, and massive financial rewards....


In the end, I found a way to turn being shat upon from a great height into new opportunities and money in the bank..


I happen to believe the UK is split into two halves. Those who have it in them to do as I did and turn adversity into opportunity, and those who don't bother looking to see if they have it too  ....

[Borg Refinery]

Toots whats needed is a dose of reality. When its understood whats actually happening then you can start planning the future.

For the UK business that exports to the EU that was part of the £295b trade they can now start to have vision while sitting on their butts, many hauliers such as DPD have suspended shipping to the EU because of brexit. Those companies are now holding their breaths, how long can they last ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/08/firms-including-ms-suspend-eu-exports-over-brexit-smallprint

The tariff free trade isn't exactly that as M&S say one third of their exports to their EU stores are being hit with Tariffs.

You are correct people will innovate and create
Govt's are there to help them by removing barriers, the UK Govt is doing the complete opposite, putting up barriers.

Never fear, Bojo is here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-sandwiches-confiscated-uk-netherlands-b1785384.html

Even the sandwiches aren't safe. 

But the BNP + Brexit party candidate types will try to forcibly deport all foreigners, after they've finished all the weird stuff like this, that is.

https://twitter.com/nickcohen4/status/1190256228552888321

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-brexit-party-supporters-know-who-they-are-really-voting-for-

https://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,181819,00.html

Yeh there was never any genocide in Rwanda and Hitler voss gut. We got it, Brexit vill be gr8 viss an all aryan majority. That worked well for QAnon and the Trumpoids the other day.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the economy is going down the tubes and people are sic of Botcho even with his large maj. So the obese types, the tw@s, the inept losers in the Brexit party aka failed Trots, will eventually come out the worse for wear.



Addendum:

Whatever they bleat on about is really not worth reading, something bout more efficiently genociding folks cheered on by the clueless tw@s, well Goebbels would be pleased which is good, but QAnon are really a big fat failure whatever they tell themselves ..

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[Borg Refinery]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

― Mark Twain

[T00ts]

He never will. Nor will Gerry. An easy Brexit has taken their toy away. They both worship failure and they won't forgive the UK unless there is one.

Yes I agree. Sometimes I just get so bored that it makes sense to challenge just for fun. I really ought to find something more worthwhile to do but the dusting and ironing just lacks that sparkle for some reason!   

[Borchester]

You think so? You have to admit though it was a good try! 

He never will. Nor will Gerry. An easy Brexit has taken their toy away. They both worship failure and they won't forgive the UK unless there is one.

[papasmurf]

It's not an either or. The UK has to resolve the trade barriers it has introduced AND manage c19.

With Gove and George Useless involved in the trade barriers process I have have no confidence.

[GerryT]

The trouble is your view of reality is a bit warped from where I am standing. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there are slightly more pressing problems at the moment. I would rather we were ahead of the EU on vaccinations than paperwork just for now. Paperwork and legislation can wait while we save people first. Unfortunately thus far the EU are doing their usual very slow thought processes and with-holding permission for their membership to buy i their own vaccines. Get us back to work and the rest will quickly evolve.

You see this is where your version of reality is warped.

First the EU has purchased 600 million vial's of the Pfizer vaccine, Pfizer are planning on making 1.3b vial's by the end of this yr, the cost to the EU is one quarter what the UK is paying and while the UK started injecting quicker the EU is not far behind. Thankfully a German/American company made the vaccine with people all around the globe working on this. You shouldn't make covid a competition, it's not the UK v EU.

At least most, not all, EU countries tried to contain the deaths by CV19. The UK is winning in those stakes also, running at about 3 times the death rate of Ireland. But it's not a competition, we are all fighting this together, or should be.

It's not an either or. The UK has to resolve the trade barriers it has introduced AND manage c19.

[T00ts]

That has zero to do with the increasing problems being caused by Brexit

You think so? You have to admit though it was a good try!  I do seriously think though that perfection is difficult to achieve in the current situation and as such we should cut them a little bit of slack. Not only that but the firms involved too are not exactly helping themselves by giving up.

[papasmurf]

The trouble is your view of reality is a bit warped from where I am standing. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there are slightly more pressing problems at the moment. I would rather we were ahead of the EU on vaccinations than paperwork just for now. Paperwork and legislation can wait while we save people first. Unfortunately thus far the EU are doing their usual very slow thought processes and with-holding permission for their membership to buy i their own vaccines. Get us back to work and the rest will quickly evolve.

That has zero to do with the increasing problems being caused by Brexit