yoo-kay: Worst Recession, Death Toll in Europe, Dev'd Nations,

[Borg Refinery]

I assumed you were referring to this, by the way, which is completely different to the stuff you are talking about.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/uk-and-eu-clash-over-british-share-of-covid-fund/amp/

[Borg Refinery]

200-300m net?
As non members perhaps.

Even little old Ireland is to be 16 billion out of pocket over it.
Can't even put a figure on how much Germany will have to pay.

The EU have agreed a 1.82 Trillion fund.
This will be paid by the only people it can be. The net contributors.
Of which there are only 9 and of which we were the number 2 contributor.

So we pay in more than we take out. Add our own UK baliouts to the 1.82 trillion and then take them away again as we are self funding them.
And the amount that needs to be made up is enough for the 18 other countries who won't be self funding theirs.

With numbers like this, I don't even have to be close to accurate for it to be clear how insanely bad for the economy EU membership is.


Let's put this in perspective. The EU have set aside 5 billion for Brexit damage bailouts.
The 4 billion they expect that we require for Brexit vs the second largest contribution to 1.8 trillion.
Remoaners are out on their maths by a factor of about 1,000 times. Lol.
My margin for error is so vast. The enormity of the stupid involved in Remain economics is made clear.



200-300 million.

ROFL LMAO. 
Now your maths is out by a factor of around 1,000,000+ .
I strongly suggest you find better sources.
Very strongly recommend this.



This story was all over Youtube when it broke.
Doubtless The Express will have had it.
Probably the Torygraph.

Remoaner news will be ignoring it as hard as they can.

I didn't pay it much attention when it broke.
But about a week a go a remoaning Cambridge economist gave this to me as his reason for changing to pro Brexit.
And he has a point.

Up until then I had expected the economic arguments to be unquantifiable.
Unprovable.

And he changed my mind.
The scale of the COVID bailuts we just dodged simply blows even the most doom mongering Brexit prediction right out of the water by factors of about 1,000.

Um... the entire EU budget is €1.82tn over 7 years. Lol. The 'covid fund' is €750bn and doesn't work at all in the way you've just made out.

No offence Baff, but I think your disbelief over the numbers being so out is because you've missed out some very key pieces of info...

[Baff]

200-300m net?
As non members perhaps.

Even little old Ireland is to be 16 billion out of pocket over it.
Can't even put a figure on how much Germany will have to pay.

The EU have agreed a 1.82 Trillion fund.
This will be paid by the only people it can be. The net contributors.
Of which there are only 9 and of which we were the number 2 contributor.

So we pay in more than we take out. Add our own UK baliouts to the 1.82 trillion and then take them away again as we are self funding them.
And the amount that needs to be made up is enough for the 18 other countries who won't be self funding theirs.

With numbers like this, I don't even have to be close to accurate for it to be clear how insanely bad for the economy EU membership is.


Let's put this in perspective. The EU have set aside 5 billion for Brexit damage bailouts.
The 4 billion they expect that we require for Brexit vs the second largest contribution to 1.8 trillion.
Remoaners are out on their maths by a factor of about 1,000 times. Lol.
My margin for error is so vast. The enormity of the stupid involved in Remain economics is made clear.



200-300 million.

ROFL LMAO. 
Now your maths is out by a factor of around 1,000,000+ .
I strongly suggest you find better sources.
Very strongly recommend this.



This story was all over Youtube when it broke.
Doubtless The Express will have had it.
Probably the Torygraph.

Remoaner news will be ignoring it as hard as they can.

I didn't pay it much attention when it broke.
But about a week a go a remoaning Cambridge economist gave this to me as his reason for changing to pro Brexit.
And he has a point.

Up until then I had expected the economic arguments to be unquantifiable.
Unprovable.

And he changed my mind.
The scale of the COVID bailuts we just dodged simply blows even the most doom mongering Brexit prediction right out of the water by factors of about 1,000.

[papasmurf]

Who turned out to be way bigger idiots than we had previously guessed.

The £350 million was and is still a lie.
https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

Claim
After leaving the EU, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week.

Conclusion
This is wrong, it's more like £250 million a week. In any case the impact on the economy from changes to trade after leaving the EU is likely to be far bigger than savings from the UK's membership fee.

[Borg Refinery]

dyno playing his sily wee games again when he makes a can't of himself.

You are self-projecting.

Thomas then why you carrying on arguing economics for then ya maddy?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

you lost the economic argument regarding brexit a long time ago

Ok, then you can prove that Brexit would be a net economic plus for England.

I'll await this one with anticipation.

You misunderstood what i wrote ( not for the first time).

I dont have to prove anything , you lost the referendum in 2016 , lost the GE in 2017 , lost the euro elections in 2019 , and lost the GE again in 2019.

We are leaving   , hard brexit by the looks of it , in 17 weeks and it looks to me your fellow countrymen arent listening to a thing you say. Its almost like the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

No matter what you say  , you have lost the argument , and are merely now coming across as whimpering at the bitter end.

You carry on though dyno if it makes you feel better.

17 weeks to go till hard brexit!

Nah, you misunderstand.

'we' (you are also a Remainer) lost no economic argument; we were proven right. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses. Just ask Baff, ask most Brexiters and they will tell you that.

So no, you are 100% wrong.. as usual.

Speaking only for myself, the economics of the EU have always been a serious reason why I wanted to leave it.
Protectionism.
Extra layers of bureaucracy.
Trade deficit.
Tax deficit.
Cost of living.
Wage depression.
Dumping.


Would I be willing to leave at any economic cost, sure.
Absolutely.
But we've already saved damn near a trillion by leaving the EU and we've only been out for 6 months.
The remainer economic arguments have been bollocks from day one. The exact opposite occuring has always been my best guess.
And events have consistently reinforced my belief.

We've saved near a trillion?

Source please?

I think our contributions to the EU COVID bailout scheme would have been £780 billion if we had still been a member.
Bullet dodged.

Ok but what's your source..everything I read said 200-300m£ net...

That is something akin to us giving them all the trade we do with them for nothing for the next 10 years in a row.
Or trading with the EU without a profit for the next 50 years to help them through it.

How I would have laughed if some one had written that figure on the side of the red bus.
How much harder i will laugh if someone does now.

Fair enough..

[Baff]

We've saved near a trillion?

Source please?

I would like to know that as well given the £350 million on the side of the bus was shot down in flames as a lie before the paint had dried.

By idiots.

Who turned out to be way bigger idiots than we had previously guessed.

[Baff]

dyno playing his sily wee games again when he makes a can't of himself.

You are self-projecting.

Thomas then why you carrying on arguing economics for then ya maddy?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

you lost the economic argument regarding brexit a long time ago

Ok, then you can prove that Brexit would be a net economic plus for England.

I'll await this one with anticipation.

You misunderstood what i wrote ( not for the first time).

I dont have to prove anything , you lost the referendum in 2016 , lost the GE in 2017 , lost the euro elections in 2019 , and lost the GE again in 2019.

We are leaving   , hard brexit by the looks of it , in 17 weeks and it looks to me your fellow countrymen arent listening to a thing you say. Its almost like the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

No matter what you say  , you have lost the argument , and are merely now coming across as whimpering at the bitter end.

You carry on though dyno if it makes you feel better.

17 weeks to go till hard brexit!

Nah, you misunderstand.

'we' (you are also a Remainer) lost no economic argument; we were proven right. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses. Just ask Baff, ask most Brexiters and they will tell you that.

So no, you are 100% wrong.. as usual.

Speaking only for myself, the economics of the EU have always been a serious reason why I wanted to leave it.
Protectionism.
Extra layers of bureaucracy.
Trade deficit.
Tax deficit.
Cost of living.
Wage depression.
Dumping.


Would I be willing to leave at any economic cost, sure.
Absolutely.
But we've already saved damn near a trillion by leaving the EU and we've only been out for 6 months.
The remainer economic arguments have been bollocks from day one. The exact opposite occuring has always been my best guess.
And events have consistently reinforced my belief.

We've saved near a trillion?

Source please?

I think our contributions to the EU COVID bailout scheme would have been £780 billion if we had still been a member.
Bullet dodged.

That is something akin to us giving them all the trade we do with them for nothing for the next 10 years in a row.
Or trading with the EU without a profit for the next 50 years to help them through it.

How I would have laughed if some one had written that figure on the side of the red bus.
How much harder i will laugh if someone does now.

[papasmurf]

We've saved near a trillion?

Source please?

I would like to know that as well given the £350 million on the side of the bus was shot down in flames as a lie before the paint had dried.

[Borg Refinery]

dyno playing his sily wee games again when he makes a can't of himself.

You are self-projecting.

Thomas then why you carrying on arguing economics for then ya maddy?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

you lost the economic argument regarding brexit a long time ago

Ok, then you can prove that Brexit would be a net economic plus for England.

I'll await this one with anticipation.

You misunderstood what i wrote ( not for the first time).

I dont have to prove anything , you lost the referendum in 2016 , lost the GE in 2017 , lost the euro elections in 2019 , and lost the GE again in 2019.

We are leaving   , hard brexit by the looks of it , in 17 weeks and it looks to me your fellow countrymen arent listening to a thing you say. Its almost like the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

No matter what you say  , you have lost the argument , and are merely now coming across as whimpering at the bitter end.

You carry on though dyno if it makes you feel better.

17 weeks to go till hard brexit!

Nah, you misunderstand.

'we' (you are also a Remainer) lost no economic argument; we were proven right. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses. Just ask Baff, ask most Brexiters and they will tell you that.

So no, you are 100% wrong.. as usual.

Speaking only for myself, the economics of the EU have always been a serious reason why I wanted to leave it.
Protectionism.
Extra layers of bureaucracy.
Trade deficit.
Tax deficit.
Cost of living.
Wage depression.
Dumping.


Would I be willing to leave at any economic cost, sure.
Absolutely.
But we've already saved damn near a trillion by leaving the EU and we've only been out for 6 months.
The remainer economic arguments have been bollocks from day one. The exact opposite occuring has always been my best guess.
And events have consistently reinforced my belief.

We've saved near a trillion?

Source please?

[Thomas]

Why the feck are you carrying on arguing economic issues then you maddy?

Talk about flogging a dead horse FFS!

LOL dyno. Sorry mate i shoudlnt laugh 

...I'm mad?

You're the one who said 'won the economic argument'. You are the one arguing the toss.

dyno playing his sily wee games again when he makes a cant of himself.

you lost the economic argument regarding brexit a long time ago ,

Ok, then you can prove that Brexit would be a net economic plus for England.

I dont have to prove anything , you lost the referendum in 2016 , lost the GE in 2017 , lost the euro elections in 2019 , and lost the GE again in 2019.

No matter what you say  , you have lost the argument , and are merely now coming across as whimpering at the bitter end.

. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses.

Why the feck are you carrying on arguing economic issues then you maddy?

Talk about flogging a dead horse FFS!

LOL dyno. Sorry mate i shoudlnt laugh 

Dyno We need to talk more doom and gloom economic arguments as i dont want to leave the eu in 17 weeks

Thomas. You lost the economic argument years ago mate.

Dyno # makes another economic argument#

Thomas dont need to you lost the referndum remember?

Dyno Brexiters decided freedom was more important than the economic argument ( translation dyno lost)

Thomas then why you carrying on arguing economics for then ya maddy?

Dear o feckin dear.

[Baff]

you lost the economic argument regarding brexit a long time ago

Ok, then you can prove that Brexit would be a net economic plus for England.

I'll await this one with anticipation.

You misunderstood what i wrote ( not for the first time).

I dont have to prove anything , you lost the referendum in 2016 , lost the GE in 2017 , lost the euro elections in 2019 , and lost the GE again in 2019.

We are leaving   , hard brexit by the looks of it , in 17 weeks and it looks to me your fellow countrymen arent listening to a thing you say. Its almost like the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

No matter what you say  , you have lost the argument , and are merely now coming across as whimpering at the bitter end.

You carry on though dyno if it makes you feel better.

17 weeks to go till hard brexit!

Nah, you misunderstand.

'we' (you are also a Remainer) lost no economic argument; we were proven right. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses. Just ask Baff, ask most Brexiters and they will tell you that.

So no, you are 100% wrong.. as usual.

Speaking only for myself, the economics of the EU have always been a serious reason why I wanted to leave it.
Protectionism.
Extra layers of bureaucracy.
Trade deficit.
Tax deficit.
Cost of living.
Wage depression.
Dumping.


Would I be willing to leave at any economic cost, sure.
Absolutely.
But we've already saved damn near a trillion by leaving the EU and we've only been out for 6 months.
The remainer economic arguments have been bollocks from day one. The exact opposite occuring has always been my best guess.
And events have consistently reinforced my belief.

[Borg Refinery]

Why the feck are you carrying on arguing economic issues then you maddy?

Talk about flogging a dead horse FFS!

LOL dyno. Sorry mate i shoudlnt laugh 

...I'm mad?

You're the one who said 'won the economic argument'. You are the one arguing the toss.

[Thomas]

. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses.

It is economic losses that worry, me.  The only unknown  is how long the disaster will last.

. Do you walk about truro high street with one of those boards front and back saying the end of the world is nigh pappy?

You have been telling us for the last ten years online the next disaster is just around the corner.

"the tories are killing millions" pappy cries.

[Thomas]

Nah, you misunderstand.

'we' (you are also a Remainer)

nope im not on your side dyno. Again , i have made it clear i want england to leave . I want scotland to remain. There is no "we".

lost no economic argument; we were proven right.

Where?

You havent left the eu yet , you are still in transition , and so far this year all the economic damage ( which is worldwide) has been because of covid.

You lost the economic argument , becuase the time to argue was before the referendum , not after.

You lost the argument , lost the referendum ,and despite trying and failing to overturn democracy for four years , you are now leaving in 17 weeks it looks like a very hard brexit , all down to anti democratic remainers.

Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses.

Why the feck are you carrying on arguing economic issues then you maddy?

Talk about flogging a dead horse FFS!

LOL dyno. Sorry mate i shoudlnt laugh 

[papasmurf]

. Brexiters decided 'freedom' was more important than economic plusses.

It is economic losses that worry, me.  The only unknown  is how long the disaster will last.