Have I lost the plot?

[Baff]

Are the majority of the EU27 pro EU?
They said the same thing about us too.




Minorities.
Let's see...

Here are some examples of minorities that could not fulfill their agenda under UK democracy and have looked to the EU as a superior medium to those ends.


The greens.
The socialists.
The bankers.
The press.
The politicians.
The Euro federalists.
The globalists.
The secessionists.
The anti Americans.
The remainers.

[BeElBeeBub]

In this case the use of democratic soveriegnty is to prevent a minority of people in this country from taking over by allying and conspiring with other minorities in other countries to impose their rule over us. (And indeed the world).
To our detriment and their own advantage.

Freedom is a very useful thing.

In the EU27 the majority are pro EU.  Even in the UK the idea that pro EU sentiment is a "minority" is pretty contestable
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

So what kind of "minorities" are you talking about?

Talk of "minorities" trying to " to impose their rule over us. (And indeed the world)" has, historically, lead to some dark places so it's best to clear up any misunderstandings.

[GerryT]

In this case the use of democratic soveriegnty is to prevent a minority of people in this country from taking over by allying and conspiring with other minorities in other countries to impose their rule over us. (And indeed the world).
To our detriment and their own advantage.

Freedom is a very useful thing.

So you elect a man that is hell set on breaking international law, lying to people and a minority group led by cumming's and johnson are turning your country from a democracy into heading towards a dictatorship. But that's ok ?

relevant international and domestic law includes:
any provision of the NI protocol
any other provision of the EU withdrawal agreement
Any other EU law or international law
Any provision of EU communities act 1972
Any provision of EU withdrawal act 2018
Any retained EU law or relevant separation agreement law
Any other legislation, convention or rule of international or domestic law whatsoever,, including and order, judgement, or decision of the EU court or of any other court or tribunal

It's the last point that is the real clincher, any law by the EU court or any other court. Now that would include UK courts, if that's not Johnson and cumming's using this time to have a massive power grab in the UK were parliament is no longer bound by any court, decision including UK courts

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303680056577994757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1303680056577994757%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058099620page%3D57

[Baff]

What use is sovereignty?

To patriots, sovereignty has a great deal of significance. But I would think it means nothing to you, as you have sold out any allegiances to an unelected bunch of overpaid jerks in Brussels, or is it Strasbourg this week?

Significance, but no actual use.

A flag may have significance, but isn't very useful.

What will you do with all the converted sovereignty we have? Eat it?, Wear it?, Make something with it?

Sovereignty is only of any use when you actually do something with it.

Sitting on top of a pile of it like a dragon hoarding gold is pointless.

In this case the use of democratic soveriegnty is to prevent a minority of people in this country from taking over by allying and conspiring with other minorities in other countries to impose their rule over us. (And indeed the world).
To our detriment and their own advantage.

Freedom is a very useful thing.

[Sheepy]

Good point beelbug, so we take back control of Parliament from the Westminster party and the EU, put the people back as sovereign and bring about direct democracy, good plan I like it.

[BeElBeeBub]

What use is sovereignty?

To patriots, sovereignty has a great deal of significance. But I would think it means nothing to you, as you have sold out any allegiances to an unelected bunch of overpaid jerks in Brussels, or is it Strasbourg this week?

Significance, but no actual use.

A flag may have significance, but isn't very useful.

What will you do with all the converted sovereignty we have? Eat it?, Wear it?, Make something with it?

Sovereignty is only of any use when you actually do something with it.

Sitting on top of a pile of it like a dragon hoarding gold is pointless.

[Barry]

What use is sovereignty?

To patriots, sovereignty has a great deal of significance. But I would think it means nothing to you, as you have sold out any allegiances to an unelected bunch of overpaid jerks in Brussels, or is it Strasbourg this week?

[Sheepy]

If you shut up junior for a minute and listened you might actually learn something.

Unlikely from you.

Stay dopey then.

[BeElBeeBub]

If you shut up junior for a minute and listened you might actually learn something.

Unlikely from you.

[Sheepy]

some of BJ's backers are going to make a mint.

Much like the several hundred million that seems to have been spent on "PPE" and other pandemic services with tiny companies set up months before by people connected to the Conservative party.

Hardly a surprise considering that a promise to implement the referendum result was made by the Tories.
Incidentally, WE know that you cannot reference the establishment of another 'EU' equivalent set up elsewhere....despite many Europhiles ridiculously comparing it with non-political entities such as NATO or the UN for instance ....and maybe you could cite those trade Agreements that the EU has made with 'SOVEREIGN' countries that has required that sovereign  country to cede primacy of legislation, acceptance of EU trade 'rules 'and access to that sovereign country's fishing territory?

...Are you related to Barmy Barmier by any chance??

The US does this all the time.

Pretty much every EU trade agreement will have a chapter on "protected designation" for foodstuffs like "champagne", "feta" etc.  The partner nation agrees to follow EU rules when it comes to food labeling.

The Canadian agreement has such a chapter.

I don't think.you really understand what sovereignty is beyond a slogan.

Answer this


What use is sovereignty?

If you shut up junior for a minute and listened you might actually learn something.

[Stevlin]

Hardly a surprise considering that a promise to implement the referendum result was made by the Tories.
Incidentally, WE know that you cannot reference the establishment of another 'EU' equivalent set up elsewhere....despite many Europhiles ridiculously comparing it with non-political entities such as NATO or the UN for instance ....and maybe you could cite those trade Agreements that the EU has made with 'SOVEREIGN' countries that has required that sovereign  country to cede primacy of legislation, acceptance of EU trade 'rules 'and access to that sovereign country's fishing territory?

...Are you related to Barmy Barmier by any chance??

The US does this all the time.

Pretty much every EU trade agreement will have a chapter on "protected designation" for foodstuffs like "champagne", "feta" etc.  The partner nation agrees to follow EU rules when it comes to food labeling.

The Canadian agreement has such a chapter.

I don't think.you really understand what sovereignty is beyond a slogan.

Answer this


What use is sovereignty?

[/quote]
Just more nonsense....and you clearly are not even aware of the governmental institution known as 'democracy'...so stop blabbering such nonsense - JUST TRY for ONCE, to put up a rational argument to justify use of an unwarranted and undemocratic political institution for beneficial trading?...So, ask yourself WHY is an undemocratic  political institution being used for  trading benefits...which requires a ridiculous multi-billion subsidy to be made so poorer countries can be handed money from the like of the UK, which has to be borrowed to pay it!!!

[BeElBeeBub]

some of BJ's backers are going to make a mint.

Much like the several hundred million that seems to have been spent on "PPE" and other pandemic services with tiny companies set up months before by people connected to the Conservative party.

Hardly a surprise considering that a promise to implement the referendum result was made by the Tories.
Incidentally, WE know that you cannot reference the establishment of another 'EU' equivalent set up elsewhere....despite many Europhiles ridiculously comparing it with non-political entities such as NATO or the UN for instance ....and maybe you could cite those trade Agreements that the EU has made with 'SOVEREIGN' countries that has required that sovereign  country to cede primacy of legislation, acceptance of EU trade 'rules 'and access to that sovereign country's fishing territory?

...Are you related to Barmy Barmier by any chance??

The US does this all the time.

Pretty much every EU trade agreement will have a chapter on "protected designation" for foodstuffs like "champagne", "feta" etc.  The partner nation agrees to follow EU rules when it comes to food labeling.

The Canadian agreement has such a chapter.

I don't think.you really understand what sovereignty is beyond a slogan.

Answer this


What use is sovereignty?

[Stevlin]

some of BJ's backers are going to make a mint.

Much like the several hundred million that seems to have been spent on "PPE" and other pandemic services with tiny companies set up months before by people connected to the Conservative party.

Hardly a surprise considering that a promise to implement the referendum result was made by the Tories.
Incidentally, WE know that you cannot reference the establishment of another 'EU' equivalent set up elsewhere....despite many Europhiles ridiculously comparing it with non-political entities such as NATO or the UN for instance ....and maybe you could cite those trade Agreements that the EU has made with 'SOVEREIGN' countries that has required that sovereign  country to cede primacy of legislation, acceptance of EU trade 'rules 'and access to that sovereign country's fishing territory?

...Are you related to Barmy Barmier by any chance??

[Thomas]

Don't dwell on it Papy - I missed the boat too.

Pappy didnt miss the boat toots, he has plenty invested in his hedge funds from his hertfordshire property porfolio of ex council houses he sold off and did the local tenants out of a roof over their heads.

I bet the socialist workers of truro dont know anything about that.

[BeElBeeBub]

some of BJ's backers are going to make a mint.

Much like the several hundred million that seems to have been spent on "PPE" and other pandemic services with tiny companies set up months before by people connected to the Conservative party.