The natives are revolting.

[Good old]

And you really think , Boris, and Co,  have no elephants ? .  It can be an embarrassing spectacle , as Boris lovers found it   to be the other day.  The embarrassing bit that could be dispensed with is the input from the benches. The individual sparring across the dispatch box is essential. And very often very exposing of the participants.

I can't ever recall any election yet where the public voted for a party and government based on who won at some obscure prime ministers questions.

That's as maybe. But administrations , and careers, have faltered and effectively fallen due to exchanges at that dispatch box. It's significant in the whole process of our democracy. And if Boris, keeps getting bested, his own party will pull him out. That's how important it is.

[papasmurf]

I don't trust BJ but he is the elected PM I will give him as much chance as he needs until we get out of the woods.

The problem is Bojo-The-Clown is a useless chancer.  The country is heading for a depth of mire I suspect it will never get out of.

[Thomas]

Its that bad for labour in scotland , for example , never mind elsewhere , starmer doesnt want the current branch manager in charge going into the next election , but he cant get anyone else to take on the job.

Sir Keir Starmer 'growing frustrated with poor poll results from Richard Leonard'

Sir Keir Starmer has lost confidence in Richard Leonard as Scottish Labour leader, The Times has been told.
Consistently low polling returns and an inability to cut through with the public have left the UK Labour leader underwhelmed with the approach and performance in Scotland, it is said.
It is understood that Sir Keir is frustrated with the situation in Scotland and does not believe that Mr Leonard is the person to reverse the party's fortunes. A series of virtual "town hall" meetings in Scotland is said to have cemented this view as voters dialled in to the video chats to say that they did not know who Mr Leonard was and praised Nicola Sturgeon.
Under Mr Leonard's leadership, Scottish Labour lost six of its seven MPs at December's general election and came fifth in the European elections.
A YouGov poll for The Times this week highlighted Mr Leonard's weakness. He has an approval rating of minus 27 but more concerning for the party's hierarchy is that 53 per cent of Scottish voters do not have an opinion of him after three years as leader.

The poll, which shows support for Labour at 14 per cent in both the constituency and regional list votes, leaves the party on course to lose five seats at Holyrood and drop to 18 MSPs.

https://archive.vn/WOQJ6

...but its all right good old tells us. Sir keir once won at some obscure prime ministers questions.

Talk about clutching at straws.

[T00ts]

for years now many have been complaining prime mininsters questions is an embarressing spectacle  , and uncivilised shouting match not really essential in the demcoratic process , and most folk are completely turned off politics by it.

Yet this is the platform good old is championing labour on ?

Cheap point scoring isnt going to win labour enough seats to get into government. All the big  elephants in the room come election time will still be waiting for you.

And you really think , Boris, and Co,  have no elephants ? .  It can be an embarrassing spectacle , as Boris lovers found it   to be the other day.  The embarrassing bit that could be dispensed with is the input from the benches. The individual sparring across the dispatch box is essential. And very often very exposing of the participants.

I don't agree. Enough past PMs have described it as an ordeal. Cameron claimed to top up on coffee, Blair largely dispensed with it altogether. It is panto slapstick and both sides pre-empt what will be said and prepare suitable retorts. What you see at PMQs is not normal especially from the opposition seats.

Starmer has fed the House mealy mouthed words of co-operation, he hasn't had the sleepless nights or constant media barrage to deal with, so from his comfortable armchair he conjures up rhetoric for no other reason than to impress his back benches. On the other hand Conservatives front benchers look out on their feet. I don't trust BJ but he is the elected PM I will give him as much chance as he needs until we get out of the woods. Starmer I don't trust at all whatever the situation.

[Thomas]

And you really think , Boris, and Co,  have no elephants ? .  It can be an embarrassing spectacle , as Boris lovers found it   to be the other day.  The embarrassing bit that could be dispensed with is the input from the benches. The individual sparring across the dispatch box is essential. And very often very exposing of the participants.

I cant ever recall any election yet where the public voted for a party and government based on who won at some obscure prime ministers questions.

[Good old]

for years now many have been complaining prime mininsters questions is an embarressing spectacle  , and uncivilised shouting match not really essential in the demcoratic process , and most folk are completely turned off politics by it.

Yet this is the platform good old is championing labour on ?

Cheap point scoring isnt going to win labour enough seats to get into government. All the big  elephants in the room come election time will still be waiting for you.

And you really think , Boris, and Co,  have no elephants ? .  It can be an embarrassing spectacle , as Boris lovers found it   to be the other day.  The embarrassing bit that could be dispensed with is the input from the benches. The individual sparring across the dispatch box is essential. And very often very exposing of the participants.

[Thomas]

That won't happen, and never was going to happen.

Thank christ we have you to keep us right pappy.

[papasmurf]

it's a single issue that must be seen to bring a better standard of living.

That won't happen, and never was going to happen.

[Sheepy]

So the drubbing Starmer ,handed out the other day, and to a degree on previous occasions . Wasn't based on being vocal and outspoken? I really think you are missing something here.
Sturgeon, apparently runs the show in your part of the world it should be no surprise , if she has a certain amount of. This is what we are going to do now, about her. She doesn't have a say at Westminster, it might be interesting if she did.

Prime ministers questions is hardly peak viewing time , and is watched by a tiny fraction of the electorate.

Same as scottish first ministers questions.

I keep telling you you champion starmer winning tiny meangles battles of no consequence while johnson and cummings are winning elections and referendums.

Starmer was the brains behind corbyns  disasterous campaign last december and johnson won where it mattered.

Those barrels of gunpowder keep mounting up under starmer every day.

Brexit is only a victory at the referendum, and to a degree the last election. it's a single issue that must be seen to bring a better standard of living. and because of its nature ,way of life.
If it does , Cummings ,and Johnson , can dine on it for ever more, if not  Then not just those two, but the whole Tory party will be the ones sitting on powder kegs.

Take you time answering, like the police, think it out first, because as we all know nobody gets voted in without the populists say so.

[Thomas]

Brexit is only a victory at the referendum,

Brexit was over four years ago , and the only reason it still exists as an issue is the stupidity of the british left in trying to thwart democracy.

and to a degree the last election.

Labour stood on a brexit manifesto in 2017 , and did reasonably well ,  , then your friend starmer got control of the campaign and tied labour to a remain manifesto in 2019 , tried to pull the wool over the electorate eyes , and johnson , wily politicians that he is  , took severe advantage of that fact and humped starmer when it mattered.

it's a single issue that must be seen to bring a better standard of living. and because of its nature ,way of life.

Yawn.

Right but we talked about labours extremely poor record when in power on the standard of living , damaging people prospects of housing by continuing thatcherite policies , allowing in mass uncontrolled immigration with no where to house them , pay rate falling from 2004 , privatising the english nhs and causing mass damage to it , etc etc.

Before we get to brexit or scot indy , migrants in dinghies , dawn butlers latest out bursts , labour are already on the back foot.

If it does , Cummings ,and Johnson , can dine on it for ever more, if not  Then not just those two, but the whole Tory party will be the ones sitting on powder kegs.

Johnson and cumming have just given the electorate more socialism over the last 6 months (  money for nothing in furlough pay , grants , eat out to help out  , mortgage holidays ,etc) than labour did in 13 years in power.

Labours legacy from those thirteen years is nothing more than uncontrolled mass immigration and PFI debt which will stretch over generations being forced to pay for it.

Labour are being beaten badly on their own home patch  , as the snp have brutally done in scotland , and the tories in northern england. Im talking both in terms of territory and policy.

[Sheepy]

newspaper sales have fallen off a cliff edge for years now , and if you and the likes of extinction rebellion had any sense , you would leave them to die a natural death.

Do not associate me with extinction rebellion. My liking them shutting down the lies and propaganda for a day does not mean I support them breaking the Pandemic regulations.

why don't you shut up worrying over little old you, let it flow for a change.

[Sheepy]

In other words lawyers , and in this case Starmer, will not rely on waffle, as waffle will invariably come back and bite ones rear end. As when examined it contains little to no substance. Boris,s quick thinking often leads directly to meaningless waffle. The obvious question is, why would Starmer , want to indulge?
From what I can hear reaction to Starmer, in Tory party circles is one of alarm.  If Starmer , was considered a non starter then why has he been able to stretch Boris, to the point were by , even his own brand is losing confidence?
And why does he receive page after page of put downs here on this site, if he truly represented no real threat?

Sturgeon is a lawyer too , like many other worldwide politicians , and yet they all manage to stick their heads above the parapet and have an opinion on the subjects of the day.

Sturgeon has been vocal and outspoken , yet not starmer , the so called leader of the uk opposition.

A coward who is unfit for the job , and as i keep sayng as long as labour are the alternative to the conservatives , johnson is safe.

So the drubbing Starmer ,handed out the other day, and to a degree on previous occasions . Wasn't based on being vocal and outspoken? I really think you are missing something here.
Sturgeon, apparently runs the show in your part of the world it should be no surprise , if she has a certain amount of. This is what we are going to do now, about her. She doesn't have a say at Westminster, it might be interesting if she did.

It doesn't mean squat, it is all for the punters anyway, who on the whole don't take a blind bit of notice anyway.

[Good old]

So the drubbing Starmer ,handed out the other day, and to a degree on previous occasions . Wasn't based on being vocal and outspoken? I really think you are missing something here.
Sturgeon, apparently runs the show in your part of the world it should be no surprise , if she has a certain amount of. This is what we are going to do now, about her. She doesn't have a say at Westminster, it might be interesting if she did.

Prime ministers questions is hardly peak viewing time , and is watched by a tiny fraction of the electorate.

Same as scottish first ministers questions.

I keep telling you you champion starmer winning tiny meangles battles of no consequence while johnson and cummings are winning elections and referendums.

Starmer was the brains behind corbyns  disasterous campaign last december and johnson won where it mattered.

Those barrels of gunpowder keep mounting up under starmer every day.

Brexit is only a victory at the referendum, and to a degree the last election. it's a single issue that must be seen to bring a better standard of living. and because of its nature ,way of life.
If it does , Cummings ,and Johnson , can dine on it for ever more, if not  Then not just those two, but the whole Tory party will be the ones sitting on powder kegs.

[papasmurf]

newspaper sales have fallen off a cliff edge for years now , and if you and the likes of extinction rebellion had any sense , you would leave them to die a natural death.

Do not associate me with extinction rebellion. My liking them shutting down the lies and propaganda for a day does not mean I support them breaking the Pandemic regulations.

[Thomas]

Bojo didn't like the lies and propaganda not being printed for a day.

newspaper sales have fallen off a cliff edge for years now , and if you and the likes of extinction rebellion had any sense , you would leave them to die a natural death.

I know you are showing your age here pappy , but newspapers is something my kids will read about in history documents on line.

talk about labour and their left wing stooges fighting pointless battles.

If the newspaper industry was all so powerfull and thought controlling as you make out , scottish independence support would never have got off the ground , as the vast majority of scotlands newspapers are unionist and controlled from outside scotland.

Are you trying to insinuate the english people arent capable  of thinking for themsleves simply because they dont agree with the socialist workers of cornwall?

You are trying to fight 21 st century politics with 19th century tactics , by closing down dead and dying newspapers.

I speak as someone who was in the print industry as a printer for 14 feckin years.