FT: Bojo to override WA

[Sheepy]

, they by his own ministers words will  be party to breaking international law , because that is what they contemplate.  Our country that has prided its self for its adherence to the rule of law , will never be listened to again if it should pontificate on such matters.
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dont talk rubbish.

The uk is currently breaking international law on the chagos islands , and i dont hear so muh as a cheap from remainers like you about it.

The uk has broken international law many a time over the years , and is known worldwide for it.

Again it only seems to be a problemin your mind when it comes to brexit.

Hang on, I will tell the Israelis, Americans,Russians, Chinese about International law, they laughed.

[Streetwalker]

, they by his own ministers words will  be party to breaking international law , because that is what they contemplate.  Our country that has prided its self for its adherence to the rule of law , will never be listened to again if it should pontificate on such matters.
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dont talk rubbish.

The uk is currently breaking international law on the chagos islands , and i dont hear so muh as a cheap from remainers like you about it.

The uk has broken international law many a time over the years , and is known worldwide for it.

Again it only seems to be a problemin your mind when it comes to brexit.

Yes it is breaking international law on the Chargos Islands mainly because is infringing the soverienty and self determination of the people there and our governments over the years  should hang their heads in shame over it . Though I think the problem there is more one of kicking the septics out than repatriations .

I know its early Thomas but Im a leaver not a remainer   

International law is broken all over the world by various countries which doesnt make us doing it anything to be proud of but lets just see  exactly what Johnson is planning and wether it falls within the scope of  any of the get out clauses before we shout foul

[Thomas]

, they by his own ministers words will  be party to breaking international law , because that is what they contemplate.  Our country that has prided its self for its adherence to the rule of law , will never be listened to again if it should pontificate on such matters.
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dont talk rubbish.

The uk is currently breaking international law on the chagos islands , and i dont hear so muh as a cheap from remainers like you about it.

The uk has broken international law many a time over the years , and is known worldwide for it.

Again it only seems to be a problemin your mind when it comes to brexit.

[Thomas]

Quiet honestly Thomas, I don't know what your point ever was ..

Read my previous posts.

That law can not be ignored  by parliament to suit any attempt to creat a different set of circumstances.

Eh?

Parliament can rescind  , or remake any law.

....and no current parliament can bind a future parliament so what are you talking about now?

Basically you are waffling on about words like sovereignty and bleating when it doesnt apply uk wide or have the desired effect in stopping brexit.

but it was not the advent of referendum being used to undermine parliamentary ability to maintain its sovereignty .

Yet more pish.

Cameron , davis and duncan smith among others said back in 2015 , that the yookay parliament was going to delegate its "sovereignty " to the people in a referndum to get them to decide on the uk`s future on the EU.

Just like the queen delegates her sovereignty to parliament to decide on the day to day running of the yookay.

So quite obviously in this instance , the referendum clearly undermined parliaments ability on the subject of brexit with the houses approval. So what are you waffling about now?

The uk public didnt hold a gun to parliaments head did it?

Parliament delegated responsibility by referendum on eu membership , the public gave you an answer you didnt like , so palriament spent four years using parliamentary process to overturn that answer till the english publics patience snapped with you.

Dont ask a feckin question if you dont like the answer.

so the people got their way  but parliament won because it's GEs that control Parliament ,not referendum.

more pish.

Parliament won?

G.E do indeed control parliament , and the people control G.E as we saw last december when the public cleared out all the dishonest remain politicians who had tried to thwart democracy.

Nearly a year on remainers like you are still bleating about it.

Doesn't stop Boris, trying though does it?

Trying to use parliament for his own ends?

No shit sherlock. You have just described every politicians and prime minister since year dot.

The only difference is boris is doing something you dont like , so you bleat about it. If starmer was pm ( god forbid) and was doing the same thing to take the uk back into the eu , you would be cheering him on.

[Streetwalker]

the WA is an international treaty, it can't get Annulled by parliament, what are you talking about.

You maybe missed the earlier post regarding termination of treaties where there are a few get out clauses to suit aggrieved states.   One of the pillars of international law is that of self determination and sovereignty of the state . 

As we knew the Mayhem version of the WA gave too much clout to the EU in making decisions that effect the UK , Johnson reigned that in a little but not enough
it seems in no deal scenario .
The conservatives have shown themselves to be pretty useless in taking us out of the EU ,hampered by a remoaner parliament but useless all the same .

Johnson is preparing the ground for a no deal scenario , its his last chance to take back control.

[GerryT]

Nope.

The WA allows for the Uk to change it any time it pleases.
Article 38.

sounds liek it may end up in court.  but if they win, the agreement will just get annulled in parliament instead.
It's not like the EU can win N Ireland in a court room battle.
Get real

Baff it's late, are you drinking ?
The UK can not alter the WA unilaterally, Art38 pertains to "most favoured provisions".

Under the WA disputes are settled by setting up an arbitration panel, the joint committee meets at least once a yr and deals with issues to prevent disputes. Have a look at Art164.

Have no idea where your NI comment is coming from, makes no sense.
the WA is an international treaty, it can't get Annulled by parliament, what are you talking about.

[Borg Refinery]

The WA is shit.

And the whole world knows it.
It's a national embarrasment to have even signed it, duress or not.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
End of an era one hopes.

Have you read it ?
There was no duress, Johnson used the WA as a bargaining chip to win a general election, he rewrote it, remember all the cheering on here about that, how it was a great win for the UK, Johnson had reopened the WA and had the parts that needed changing rewritten. It was bringing an "oven ready" deal.

Sounds like there's an Idiot and a Liar in charge.

Yes he did get rid of the absolutely worst parts.

The Treaty of Versaille stuff.
And as you might expect he will be roundly met with even more applause for getting rid of even more of it.
And he knows it. And the EU knows it.

It's called leverage in a negotiation.

He's playing a strong hand well.

It has to be said that Boris is showing himself to be a sly, amoral son of a bitch.

It is certainly hard not to like him. 

You genuinely have no desire for moral, upstanding, honest politicians?

I don't like Thatcher at all, but I can accept that she stood behind what she thought was moral and good at the very least. On Larry King in 1993 she expressed some regret, and said she thought the rich would be less hoardey and more philanthropic and spread the wealth around - and admitted that she was somewhat mistaken in her beliefs & policies.

Bush Jnr has since apologized and admitted he was a bit mistaken, I don't for a second think he meant to cause the damage he (IMHO) did.

I don't see that with Bojo; Peter Hitchens describes Bojo as the true heir to Blair - an utterly sneaky, spineless, faceless Neoliberal who fits the description you just gave.

Not at all sure why anyone would celebrate amorality in any politician.

[Baff]

Yes he did get rid of the absolutely worst parts.

The Treaty of Versaille stuff.
And as you might expect he will be roundly met with even more applause for getting rid of even more of it.
And he knows it. And the EU knows it.

It's called leverage in a negotiation.

He's playing a strong hand well.

Huh
The WA is finished, done, signed sealed and delivered. If the UK wants to change it then it needs to talk to the EU and try get agreement. Otherwise it stays just as it is.

Nope.

The WA allows for the Uk to change it any time it pleases.
Article 38.

sounds liek it may end up in court.  but if they win, the agreement will just get annulled in parliament instead.
It's not like the EU can win N Ireland in a court room battle.
Get real

[GerryT]

It has to be said that Boris is showing himself to be a sly, amoral son of a bitch.

It is certainly hard not to like him. 

Liar is the word your looking for and he's been doing that for most of his working career. If that's your thing, hop on board.

[GerryT]

Yes he did get rid of the absolutely worst parts.

The Treaty of Versaille stuff.
And as you might expect he will be roundly met with even more applause for getting rid of even more of it.
And he knows it. And the EU knows it.

It's called leverage in a negotiation.

He's playing a strong hand well.

Huh
The WA is finished, done, signed sealed and delivered. If the UK wants to change it then it needs to talk to the EU and try get agreement. Otherwise it stays just as it is.

[GerryT]

I genuinely hope the UK tells the EU to whistle with regard to the North / South issue. You will see just how much regard the EU has for SI when they erect a border in Eire. You will become the wasteland between the EU and the UK.

The EU did as much as it could. It made the GFA central to Brexit, the UK didn't seem to worried about it, just another international treaty it could break if it was somewhat inconvenient to the UK. The WA is now a second treaty the UK has signed, reconfirming the UK won't put up a border on the island of IRL and do anything that affects North South relations. Travel of people, goods, jobs.
Now if the UK is going to contravene the Vienna convention and international law by breaking both these treaties there's not much the EU or IRL can do about it. But that's all on the UK, talk is cheap, the EU will respond to UK actions, like dealing with a child that has a tantrum, just ignore for a little while and things settle.
Can you just picture what the UK would do if IRL wasn't in the EU, it would prob just crap on it, the good old fashioned way.

[Borchester]

The WA is shit.

And the whole world knows it.
It's a national embarrasment to have even signed it, duress or not.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
End of an era one hopes.

Have you read it ?
There was no duress, Johnson used the WA as a bargaining chip to win a general election, he rewrote it, remember all the cheering on here about that, how it was a great win for the UK, Johnson had reopened the WA and had the parts that needed changing rewritten. It was bringing an "oven ready" deal.

Sounds like there's an Idiot and a Liar in charge.

Yes he did get rid of the absolutely worst parts.

The Treaty of Versaille stuff.
And as you might expect he will be roundly met with even more applause for getting rid of even more of it.
And he knows it. And the EU knows it.

It's called leverage in a negotiation.

He's playing a strong hand well.

It has to be said that Boris is showing himself to be a sly, amoral son of a bitch.

It is certainly hard not to like him. 

[Baff]

The WA is shit.

And the whole world knows it.
It's a national embarrasment to have even signed it, duress or not.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
End of an era one hopes.

Have you read it ?
There was no duress, Johnson used the WA as a bargaining chip to win a general election, he rewrote it, remember all the cheering on here about that, how it was a great win for the UK, Johnson had reopened the WA and had the parts that needed changing rewritten. It was bringing an "oven ready" deal.

Sounds like there's an Idiot and a Liar in charge.

Yes he did get rid of the absolutely worst parts.

The Treaty of Versaille stuff.
And as you might expect he will be roundly met with even more applause for getting rid of even more of it.
And he knows it. And the EU knows it.

It's called leverage in a negotiation.

He's playing a strong hand well.

[Nick]

only refers to the people's will as  expressed by parliaments making law in the people's name.

Once more it would seem he wants to get his fingers burnt, in his present dealings, The mans a disgrace .

When Johnson took the revised WA to the people and secured the Dec GE he did so on a manifest of that agreement. This was signed in Jan and brexit was finally competed. The political declaration, a separate written document gave in general terms the items that were to be discussed and agreed in a future trade deal.

If Johnson does try to bring in legislation tomorrow, even if unsuccessful, isn't that a betrayal of "the will of the people" and the countries sovereignty ?

I genuinely hope the UK tells the EU to whistle with regard to the North / South issue. You will see just how much regard the EU has for SI when they erect a border in Eire. You will become the wasteland between the EU and the UK.

[GerryT]

The WA is shit.

And the whole world knows it.
It's a national embarrasment to have even signed it, duress or not.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
End of an era one hopes.

Have you read it ?
There was no duress, Johnson used the WA as a bargaining chip to win a general election, he rewrote it, remember all the cheering on here about that, how it was a great win for the UK, Johnson had reopened the WA and had the parts that needed changing rewritten. It was bringing an "oven ready" deal.

Sounds like there's an Idiot and a Liar in charge.