FT: Bojo to override WA

[Thomas]

You don't think trying to annex NI is aggressive?
I do.

So do i baffy. Of course the eu can do no wrong in some peoples eyes .

[Borg Refinery]

I don't expect 'perfection' in some Dynameon ouranou, I expect it will have warts and all but would be better than this rubbish society.

We dont have a rubbish society. You are the one who keeps saying this not me. While i accpet its far from perfect , i still think we live in a pretty good society , so as i keep telling you apart from maybe a few slight tweaks , i dont really want to reform it in any major way , with the exception i would like scotland to be independent.

So what are you actually on about?

If people want to live in this type of society - and are happy with it - let them continue, but give others the choices of different societies. That's all I'm saying.

carry on saying it for eternity for all i care.

What you need to do is get someone elected off the back of these lofty ideals to reofrm the world. Until you do if ever , the rest of us are more  than happy to carry on as we are.

Life is good .

That's your opinion and that's fine. I'm not seeking to force you round to my way of thinking - and that's the point.

[Thomas]

Context: the ruthless Brit imperialist scunners of his time.

In that context, what he did was 100% what you'd expect him to, it was about survival and dreaming of something better even as unforeseeable as it was at the time.

Are you really comparing the horrors those poor fellas went through with our comparatively blessed existences? The mild reformist stuff I said I want (minor reforms of the electoral commission etc) is absolutely not 'lofty idealism' and cannot be compared in any way.

How many times do i need to keep explaining to you people in many countries didnt fight for independence for some blessed existence outside the uk or empire , or dreaming for something better?

Do you not really understand nationalsim?

Irish people wanted to be independent of england wether they were better or worse off.

I have told you i want independence for independence sake , wether scotland is better or worse off.

English people  , by your own feckin admission , dont buy into the economic argument of the euroepan utopia , but want out the eu wether it makes england better or worse.

....and still you dont get it.

Connolly may very well have had at points in his life lofty socialistic ideals , but you dont know he was fighting for something better. Clearly as a nationnalsit , he wanted ireland to be indy for better or worse , and for the irish to take their chances.

FFS . its no difficult.

All i can say dyno after talking to you online is hastings must be one feckin grim place mate , i feel like topping myself  afer engaging wiht you.

Be happy , life is good. Glass half full and all that mate. You will end up doing yourself dmamge if you carry on like this dyno.

[Borg Refinery]

Where did I say I hate it? What?

ok my bad , so what is it you are trying to reform?

Are you happy with the system we live under or not?

I thought you wanted the perfect corruption free society where all are equal and living in harmony or some other such nonsese? Where no one lies , or fights dirty in politics and all the rest.

What you are now saying after quoting all thses rebellious socialist ideas you are now happy with society and how we live?

No that's just another strawman you invented.

I don't expect 'perfection' in some Dynameon ouranou, I expect it will have warts and all but would be better than this rubbish society.

If people want to live in this type of society - and are happy with it - let them continue, but give others the choices of different societies. That's all I'm saying.

It's not impossible, nor unreasonable.

Well actually you  have your own interpretation, Thomas has a different interpretation, both are interesting for a change.

I don't seek to force him or anyone else to live in my ideal society. Everyone should have their reasonable choices.

The world will carry on with wars and so forth unless we learn to tolerate difference.

[Baff]

No all we have established  is you are perfectly comfortable trying to establish the idea that it is perfectly all right for Johnson, to break international law if it gives him something he wants..

yep we did establish that. I also showed how many uk prime ministers have done the same historically right up to the modern day.

Your reply was johnson isnt allowed to break international law , and that international law allows the eu to interfere in the northern irish constituent part of the euk sovereign territory.

When i ask why they wouldnt do that for catalonia , you run a mile and im told this is against internaitonal law.

So as ever you are all over the feckin place.

One minute the eu can interfere when its in your interests , the next it can't.

It remains wrong to break the law

.

Johnson has the inalienable right to protect his countries sovereignty against an outside agressor like the eu , so he has every right to tear up the WA and keep northern ireland in the uk while ending all eu rules in a part of sovereign british territory.

I waste my time. Most of that I have never said or intended. So as ever you are the one all over the place.
And as ever making  what I say up, on the hoof.  The EU an outside aggressor

You don't think trying to annex NI is aggressive?
I do.

[Borg Refinery]

I would say his nationalistic ideals were also lofty for the time, it took him getting horribly killed to inspire change after all....

That's the truth (shrug).

Nope. You tell me or insinuate how chaeting , unfairness and all the rest is bad. Connolly did all these things in pursuit of nationalism.

You ignore that part as it doesnt suit your rheotric over the perfect society and world.

You then list all the idelaistic things connoly may have once beleieved , but never enacted  , and not only is ireland today proof of your idealistic socialisms failure ( highly capitalistic free market society) but even in the article i quoted they ask did james connolly betray socialism with his nationalism.?

Context: the ruthless Brit imperialist scunners of his time.

In that context, what he did was 100% what you'd expect him to, it was about survival and dreaming of something better even as unforeseeable as it was at the time.

Are you really comparing the horrors those poor fellas went through with our comparatively blessed existences? The mild reformist stuff I said I want (minor reforms of the electoral commission etc) is absolutely not 'lofty idealism' and cannot be compared in any way.

[Sheepy]

Where did I say I hate it? What?

ok my bad , so what is it you are trying to reform?

Are you happy with the system we live under or not?

I thought you wanted the perfect corruption free society where all are equal and living in harmony or some other such nonsese? Where no one lies , or fights dirty in politics and all the rest.

What you are now saying after quoting all thses rebellious socialist ideas you are now happy with society and how we live?

No that's just another strawman you invented.

I don't expect 'perfection' in some Dynameon ouranou, I expect it will have warts and all but would be better than this rubbish society.

If people want to live in this type of society - and are happy with it - let them continue, but give others the choices of different societies. That's all I'm saying.

It's not impossible, nor unreasonable.

Well actually you  have your own interpretation, Thomas has a different interpretation, both are interesting for a change.

[Thomas]

I don't expect 'perfection' in some Dynameon ouranou, I expect it will have warts and all but would be better than this rubbish society.

We dont have a rubbish society. You are the one who keeps saying this not me. While i accpet its far from perfect , i still think we live in a pretty good society , so as i keep telling you apart from maybe a few slight tweaks , i dont really want to reform it in any major way , with the exception i would like scotland to be independent.

So what are you actually on about?

If people want to live in this type of society - and are happy with it - let them continue, but give others the choices of different societies. That's all I'm saying.

carry on saying it for eternity for all i care.

What you need to do is get someone elected off the back of these lofty ideals to reofrm the world. Until you do if ever , the rest of us are more  than happy to carry on as we are.

Life is good .

[Thomas]

I would say his nationalistic ideals were also lofty for the time, it took him getting horribly killed to inspire change after all....

That's the truth (shrug).

Nope. You tell me or insinuate how chaeting , unfairness and all the rest is bad. Connolly did all these things in pursuit of nationalism.

You ignore that part as it doesnt suit your rheotric over the perfect society and world.

You then list all the idelaistic things connoly may have once beleieved , but never enacted  , and not only is ireland today proof of your idealistic socialisms failure ( highly capitalistic free market society) but even in the article i quoted they ask did james connolly betray socialism with his nationalism.?

[Borg Refinery]

Where did I say I hate it? What?

ok my bad , so what is it you are trying to reform?

Are you happy with the system we live under or not?

I thought you wanted the perfect corruption free society where all are equal and living in harmony or some other such nonsese? Where no one lies , or fights dirty in politics and all the rest.

What you are now saying after quoting all thses rebellious socialist ideas you are now happy with society and how we live?

No that's just another strawman you invented.

I don't expect 'perfection' in some Dynameon ouranou, I expect it will have warts and all but would be better than this rubbish society.

If people want to live in this type of society - and are happy with it - let them continue, but give others the choices of different societies. That's all I'm saying.

It's not impossible, nor unreasonable.

[Thomas]

I waste my time.

you certainly talk shite.

Seriously you have done the thread a service , and we owe you a debt that cant be paid dragging the subject onto how spain can abuse its international obligations but in your eyes the uk cant....cause brexit is bad eh good old?

The uk government will let the foreigners at the eu know what they have decided over sovereign uk territory in northern ireland when they are ready.

[Borg Refinery]

"His lofty ideas failed.."

You said he wasn't a lofty idealist - I showed you he was and now you agree he was.

im saying and showing how those ideals you quoted regarding socialsim ( yawn) were lofty and failed , but his nationalistic ideals won , because they were cemented in reality.

I would say his nationalistic ideals were also lofty for the time, it took him getting horribly killed to inspire change after all....

That's the truth (shrug).

[Thomas]

Where did I say I hate it? What?

ok my bad , so what is it you are trying to reform?

Are you happy with the system we live under or not?

I thought you wanted the perfect corruption free society where all are equal and living in harmony or some other such nonsese? Where no one lies , or fights dirty in politics and all the rest.

What you are now saying after quoting all thses rebellious socialist ideas you are now happy with society and how we live?

[Good old]

No all we have established  is you are perfectly comfortable trying to establish the idea that it is perfectly all right for Johnson, to break international law if it gives him something he wants..

yep we did establish that. I also showed how many uk prime ministers have done the same historically right up to the modern day.

Your reply was johnson isnt allowed to break international law , and that international law allows the eu to interfere in the northern irish constituent part of the euk sovereign territory.

When i ask why they wouldnt do that for catalonia , you run a mile and im told this is against internaitonal law.

So as ever you are all over the feckin place.

One minute the eu can interfere when its in your interests , the next it can't.

It remains wrong to break the law

.

Johnson has the inalienable right to protect his countries sovereignty against an outside agressor like the eu , so he has every right to tear up the WA and keep northern ireland in the uk while ending all eu rules in a part of sovereign british territory.

I waste my time. Most of that I have never said or intended. So as ever you are the one all over the place.
And as ever making  what I say up, on the hoof.  The EU an outside aggressor    

[Thomas]

"His lofty ideas failed.."

You said he wasn't a lofty idealist - I showed you he was and now you agree he was.

im saying and showing how those ideals you quoted regarding socialsim ( yawn) were lofty and failed , but his nationalistic ideals won , because they were cemented in reality.