Was Jesus a socialist hippy?

[Streetwalker]

He walked on water man ,he made that water wine
And then he drank with people you and me would cast aside



Jesus was a Rockstar .

[T00ts]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

...and that is exactly as it is. Regimes are created with and without faiths and doctrines.  Human beings are free to choose. Not necessarily by people here on earth - but that's not God's fault. He doesn't micro-manage. We are all the product of choices and decisions of the past - unless of course individuals are prepared to stand out from the crowd around them and choose what they feel is right.

Early Christians lived like Jesus. They rarely made provision believing that God would provide. He did, for as long as commandments were kept.

I agree with the last part, and I want to live under that kind of society again, the closest I've seen is the inner workings of Orthodox monasteries. I'm happy and content with that - but I'm not ascetic enough to be a monk, therefore I want something in a society as similar as possible.

But you are completely wrong "...and that is exactly as it is. ".

No not at all - America, Russia, China etc and historic superpowers always dictate how every other country should be.

That can never be just, and yes Orthodox societies did it too..the Kievan Rus attacked and attempted invasion of the Byzantines  - and vice versa - multi times over.

And they were wrong to do that. It cannot be justified -

I am saying it is right simply because it is of our choosing. It is how history has panned out because of choices gone before. I don't mean your choice or mine last week. I mean generational choices, historical choices. We do  have complete choice as to how we live day to day. You can choose to work or steal. You can choose to get drunk or not. You can choose to use obscene language or not. Life is full of individual choices. Those are the choices governed by the individual and can be lived just because you have decided. What would be wrong would be force that would make us all believe in God and Christ in the same way.

Choice is the whole reason for living a human life. This is a time of test. Sorry if that's too full on!

[srb7677]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

I think majority rule, where majorities determine how we are governed, is best. But we often don't actually get that here. Governments regularly get large majorities with the support of only the largest minority under FPTP. All views would truly gain the representation to which their support entitles them under a genuinely proportional system. But that is perhaps an argument for elsewhere.

And why is majority rule 'correct'?

Why should any minority be subjected to majority rule? We could extrapolate your example to the Tibetans or the Chechens and say good, they should shut up and accept it. Why should me and you have to live under this type of system if we don't want to? And whereever you go in the world, it is more or less the same.

I don't want to live under your idea of democratic majority rule and you don't want to live under my ideal society, why should we try to subject each other?

I think my response lacked - and clearly requires - nuance. Majority rule should always be accompanied by respect for dissenting minorities, accommodating that where possible by devolutionary mechanisms. Minorities should always be heard and always be free.

[Borg Refinery]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

...and that is exactly as it is. Regimes are created with and without faiths and doctrines.  Human beings are free to choose. Not necessarily by people here on earth - but that's not God's fault. He doesn't micro-manage. We are all the product of choices and decisions of the past - unless of course individuals are prepared to stand out from the crowd around them and choose what they feel is right.

Early Christians lived like Jesus. They rarely made provision believing that God would provide. He did, for as long as commandments were kept.

I agree with the last part, and I want to live under that kind of society again, the closest I've seen is the inner workings of Orthodox monasteries. I'm happy and content with that - but I'm not ascetic enough to be a monk, therefore I want something in a society as similar as possible.

But you are completely wrong "...and that is exactly as it is. ".

No not at all - America, Russia, China etc and historic superpowers always dictate how every other country should be.

That can never be just, and yes Orthodox societies did it too..the Kievan Rus attacked and attempted invasion of the Byzantines  - and vice versa - multi times over.

And they were wrong to do that. It cannot be justified -

[Borg Refinery]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

I think majority rule, where majorities determine how we are governed, is best. But we often don't actually get that here. Governments regularly get large majorities with the support of only the largest minority under FPTP. All views would truly gain the representation to which their support entitles them under a genuinely proportional system. But that is perhaps an argument for elsewhere.

And why is majority rule 'correct'?

Why should any minority be subjected to majority rule? We could extrapolate your example to the Tibetans or the Chechens and say good, they should shut up and accept it. Why should me and you have to live under this type of system if we don't want to? And whereever you go in the world, it is more or less the same.

I don't want to live under your idea of democratic majority rule and you don't want to live under my ideal society, why should we try to subject each other?

[T00ts]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

...and that is exactly as it is. Regimes are created with and without faiths and doctrines.  Human beings are free to choose. Not necessarily by people here on earth - but that's not God's fault. He doesn't micro-manage. We are all the product of choices and decisions of the past - unless of course individuals are prepared to stand out from the crowd around them and choose what they feel is right.

Early Christians lived like Jesus. They rarely made provision believing that God would provide. He did, for as long as commandments were kept.

[srb7677]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

I think majority rule, where majorities determine how we are governed, is best. But we often don't actually get that here. Governments regularly get large majorities with the support of only the largest minority under FPTP. All views would truly gain the representation to which their support entitles them under a genuinely proportional system. But that is perhaps an argument for elsewhere.

[Borg Refinery]

Have a look into the early Christian communities in Antioch in 4AD.

That's what communism PURPORTS to be but NEVER is.

That's the kind of society I'd like to live in, but I don't want anyone else to be forced to live under *MY* idea of a perfect society. That's why I believe in a world where folks have the system of their choosing and everyone isn't forced to live under ONE system - be it communism, capitalism, Christian Theocracy, islamic theocracy etc. I'm certain that's how things are best.

[Barry]

And Father Christmas pops round every year too.

Well, you started a thread which tried to disrespect the Saviour of the World. Did you expect to get away with it scot free?

[srb7677]

He was not a socialist, or he would have been named Jeremy Corbyn, not Jesus Christ.

He was not a hippy, he was the Son of God, brought up by his mother Mary's husband, who was a carpenter. He would have learned Joseph's work.
He was an astounding teacher of the Word of God and knew all scripture well. That's because he is God and was there when it was all written. He was teaching the rabbis at the age of 12.

He died for our sins, rose again on the third day and ascended into heaven after another 6 weeks on Earth. If we trust in Him for our salvation and believe, that is what He asks.

It's not really a joking matter, although the camel through the eye of a needle, showed a sense of humour on Jesus' part.

And Father Christmas pops round every year too.

[Borg Refinery]

"exceptionally enlightened dude"

Are you Mott the Hoople?

I think the stuff about it being a joke is wrong and this is correct: http://recognizingchrist.com/2013/06/25/myths-about-the-bible-was-the-eye-of-the-needle-a-gate/

Making God's texts into a joke I don't think is a good idea. Although a certain Churchill quote does come to mind..

[T00ts]

Just as a matter of interest I have been told that the eye of the needle was actually ref to a particularly small gate into the city.

Not so apparently:-

http://recognizingchrist.com/2013/06/25/myths-about-the-bible-was-the-eye-of-the-needle-a-gate/

I just took a minute to cross reference  that and you are right. There seems to be 3 possibilities and apparently the small gates did not exist in Christ's time.

[papasmurf]

Just as a matter of interest I have been told that the eye of the needle was actually ref to a particularly small gate into the city.

Not so apparently:-

http://recognizingchrist.com/2013/06/25/myths-about-the-bible-was-the-eye-of-the-needle-a-gate/

[T00ts]

He was not a socialist, or he would have been named Jeremy Corbyn, not Jesus Christ.

He was not a hippy, he was the Son of God, brought up by his mother Mary's husband, who was a carpenter. He would have learned Joseph's work.
He was an astounding teacher of the Word of God and knew all scripture well. That's because he is God and was there when it was all written. He was teaching the rabbis at the age of 12.

He died for our sins, rose again on the third day and ascended into heaven after another 6 weeks on Earth. If we trust in Him for our salvation and believe, that is what He asks.

It's not really a joking matter, although the camel through the eye of a needle, showed a sense of humour on Jesus' part.

Just as a matter of interest I have been told that the eye of the needle was actually ref to a particularly small gate into the city.

[Barry]

He was not a socialist, or he would have been named Jeremy Corbyn, not Jesus Christ.

He was not a hippy, he was the Son of God, brought up by his mother Mary's husband, who was a carpenter. He would have learned Joseph's work.
He was an astounding teacher of the Word of God and knew all scripture well. That's because he is God and was there when it was all written. He was teaching the rabbis at the age of 12.

He died for our sins, rose again on the third day and ascended into heaven after another 6 weeks on Earth. If we trust in Him for our salvation and believe, that is what He asks.

It's not really a joking matter, although the camel through the eye of a needle, showed a sense of humour on Jesus' part.