Extreme poverty ‘will double by Christmas’ in UK because of Covid-19

[johnofgwent]

Did you not have a claim up on Rishis covid payments Nick ?

I assume you mean Rishis Dishes?

Personally no, but on business trips I eat out all the time. This gets expensed back to who ever I'm contracting for so I don't benefit whether it's £10 or £20.

Nice try though 😂

Sticking my head in, as you indicate you're not exactly a bog standard employee, I suspect that actually refers to the various supposed support mechanisms available to those not able to take advantage of the furlough support scheme.

My experience of state support for those other than non-director employees of an employer is that such support does not exist. My friends and neighbours still in work the way i used to be found out very quickly the supposed support from banks was changed by the banks to loans at rather hefty interest rates outside the chancellors stated schemes and as anyone running their own sghow knows tfurlough payments do not apply to anyone who's ever taken a dividend, and even ltdco owners who have not are ineligible, as the process of administering the scheme payments to themselves were they able to claim them would constitute work for their employer which would put them in breach of the furlough scheme. Rishi did not get to be the multi millionaire he is without knowing how to tread on people ...

[papasmurf]

As I have pointed out a couple of times, I was poorer under Labour than i ever was under the Tories.

You are very lucky, I never got back to a pre Thatcher equivalent income by a very long way.

[johnofgwent]

The whole point of my demand for a definition was to expose the language in the opening post, deliberately chosen to suggest the streets of Britain will be filled with kids looking like biafrans,

Frankly if the government does nothing to address it's hostile environment towards poor and vulnerable people I would not rule that out.

As I have pointed out a couple of times, I was poorer under Labour than i ever was under the Tories. Admittedly the Tories tried to make life difficult for me, but their attitude to those wanting to use skills to get ahead was markedly different to labour's doctrinal stance. And most of the issues that govern whether there are jobs in wales are down to the labour party whose fiefdom this has been ever since the 1997 welsh assembly referendum debacle.

And by the way...

I leave my current 80% of £35kpa (furloughed) job in the automotive industry in 30 days and commence a new job as a database developer for a bank in Cardiff Bay for £10,000 a year more. My days of wondering how the F@@@ I am going to meet the bill payments, which has haunted me since Gordon Brown's one eyed delirium sent the economy tanking, is fucking OVER at  last and I am now back to the salary I was collecting in 2008

[papasmurf]

I've told you repeatedly to stop trolling my posts and put me on ignore - the question was NOT asked to you, it was asked to someone else, and it is clear enough

No F*CK off and stop disrupting my conversation with someone else

I am NOT trolling your posts. Over the  years you refuse point blank to see the increasing level of poverty and depravation in Britain despite being given a lot of information about it.
Frankly it is you doing the trolling by refusing to beleive the situation even exists.

[DeppityDawg]

The second link is the government's own data. That quantifies the problem, with the page I suggested you look at.
You must live very sheltered from the now very obvious signs of poverty and depravation.

I've told you repeatedly to stop trolling my posts and put me on ignore - the question was NOT asked to you, it was asked to someone else, and it is clear enough

No F*CK off and stop disrupting my conversation with someone else

[papasmurf]

So, can you tell me how you are quantifying this comment?

The second link is the government's own data. That quantifies the problem, with the page I suggested you look at.
You must live very sheltered from the now very obvious signs of poverty and depravation.

[DeppityDawg]

What it actually shows is that you are a callous ignoramus steeped in Daily Mail style social propaganda. When in fact the truth is far more nuanced. Whilst there are those who attempt to take the piss they are rarely living the life of riley. And millions are genuinely suffering, some driven onto the streets. Fact is though - and this is the evil truth - you don't actually give a shit anyway. They could all starve to death as far as you are concerned.

The forum troll is not going to disrupt this question, because the question was asked to you, not him. So I'll illustrate the point more clearly for you - here is Open Democracy's critical article on one of the organisations mentioned, ie, IFS, the Institute for Fiscal Studies

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/we-need-talk-about-institute-fiscal-studies/

The issue is not that the conclusions of the IFS's studies are predictable and easily anticipated; it is that its studies are not always as objective as they claim. They often apply the wrong tools, and treat macroeconomic issues as if they were microeconomic. As Robert Chote, the former director of the IFS admitted: %u201Cthey don%u2019t do macro%u201D.

"Thinks Tanks", Quangos and NGO's are not unbiased sources, they all have a leaning, that is the point.

ONS figures, while they provide (mostly) unmanipulated factual data, do not provide quantative data on emotive comments like "millions are suffering"

So, can you tell me how you are quantifying this comment?

[papasmurf]

You talk about DM propaganda, then go on to write hyperbolic comments like "millions are genuinely suffering". Could you be more specific?

There is no hyperbole involved in millions of people genuinely suffering, in the face of all the evidence posted on the this forum over the last few years the naysayers have their heads planted up their backsides.
They must walk around with  their eyes shut:-

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/comms/R114.pdf

I also refer you to page three here:-

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/875261/households-below-average-income-1994-1995-2018-2019.pdf

[DeppityDawg]

What it actually shows is that you are a callous ignoramus steeped in Daily Mail style social propaganda. When in fact the truth is far more nuanced. Whilst there are those who attempt to take the piss they are rarely living the life of riley. And millions are genuinely suffering, some driven onto the streets. Fact is though - and this is the evil truth - you don't actually give a shit anyway. They could all starve to death as far as you are concerned.

You talk about DM propaganda, then go on to write hyperbolic comments like "millions are genuinely suffering". Could you be more specific? How are you defining suffering and do you have any specific links to prove this? Otherwise that is simply your own bias and 'propagabda". After your comment about the Daily Mail, don't expect to be able to post Joseph Rowntree or Trussel trust type links or anything with a political agenda. Hard facts please ONS data or independent sources to qualify why your opinion that "millions suffer" is somehow more valid (or in your eyes definitely more f cking noble) than his?

[srb7677]

It's called fact, and you refuse to acknowledge it. Regardless of whether you believe it or not some people are taking the piss. They choose the trappings that they can't afford and then use food banks, but you refuse to accept that a single person does this, well you're wrong.

If I had my way it would be like China where if you don't get up and earn enough to eat then tough. Socialism states you help those who can't help them selves, not those that can't be bothered.

It would appear to be a fact that you are callous and right wing you have proven that with your response.

What it shows is that I'm a realist and understand how the world works. You on the other hand are clearly stuck in Smurfland and swallow every sob story going.

What it actually shows is that you are a callous ignoramus steeped in Daily Mail style social propaganda. When in fact the truth is far more nuanced. Whilst there are those who attempt to take the piss they are rarely living the life of riley. And millions are genuinely suffering, some driven onto the streets. Fact is though - and this is the evil truth - you don't actually give a shit anyway. They could all starve to death as far as you are concerned.

[Sheepy]

Hysterical anger and apoplectic rage seems to be thriving on here even without my presence as a punchbag!

Why you in extreme poverty already ducky, had to sell your snowboards?

[T00ts]

I put it all down to retrograde Mars. It promised aggression and general disagreement and it all seems to have landed o this forum.

[HDQQ]

Hysterical anger and apoplectic rage seems to be thriving on here even without my presence as a punchbag!

[papasmurf]

You are lying now, the word extreme does not appear in that PDF.

No reason it should, that is not a word that would be used in such a report.

[Barry]

As you already know, that defines relative poverty, which is not extreme poverty. But it suits your dishonest style of debating.

You couldn't be bothered to read it all then?  The dishonesty is on your part.

You are lying now, the word extreme does not appear in that PDF.