What new parties would you like?

[Borg Refinery]

You do know Thatcher refuted her own legacy don't you, sometime in 1993 she went on telly and basically said she expected the rich to be less greedy, and was 'sorry' that it hadn't worked out differently.

I see nothing wrong in believing your fellow citizens are inherently fair but, later being disappointed

Me either. I applaud her honesty actually. I think she *thought* she was doing the right thing in the 80's, then realized she was wrong and expressed sorrow for her actions.

That's what intelligent mature people do.

Bush jr similarly apologized for his actions which he said were wrong...

Blair said he did everything right. 🤣 Ok mate.. sure...

[patman post]

You do know Thatcher refuted her own legacy don't you, sometime in 1993 she went on telly and basically said she expected the rich to be less greedy, and was 'sorry' that it hadn't worked out differently.

I see nothing wrong in believing your fellow citizens are inherently fair but, later being disappointed in the failings of some.
As a counter argument it was a fact that before Thatcher came to power 1979 the country was so different to today that it seems almost anachronistic: eg, it was illegal to put an extension lead on your phone, for example (you had to wait six weeks for a telephone extention instead); there was only one, state-approved, answering machine available, and there were limited "range" of phones.
Early Thatcher instigated many positive advances that too many of the dyed in the wool Luddite Left fought tooth and nail against...

[srb7677]

Any realignment of British politics and the breaking through of new parties is made extremely difficult by the straight jacket of FPTP. For effective new parties to emerge we first need electoral reform.

Were that to happen I think we would see a gradual realignment. Labour would split, with the left forming some kind of socialist and left wing social democratic party, which would probably cooperate closely with the Greens, both gaining parliamentary representation. Much of the rest of the Labour party would likely align with the Lib Dem left, but the furthest right Blairites would be more likely to end up in bed with the Orange Book Lib Dems and the more left leaning pro-European Tories. The bulk of the Tories would unite with all the Brexit mob types and the saner elements of UKIP, The rest of UKIP and the BNP types would form a far right racist, anti-liberal, fringe.

[Borg Refinery]

I'd like a English version of the SNP, simple as, really.

[Borg Refinery]

An early-years-Thatcher Conservative party — ie, aim to remove govt and trade unions** from managing and running businesses, reduce support for outdated business, encourage entrepreneurship and individual ownership where wanted, push for new technologies and revitalising left-behind cities. In short a party that aims to get Britain standing on its own feet, but able to seize the advantages of international alliances, cooperation and trade...

** an exception could be the German model which, ironically, was partially the wish-list inspiration of the post war TUC...

You do know Thatcher refuted her own legacy don't you, sometime in 1993 she went on telly and basically said she expected the rich to be less greedy, and was 'sorry' that it hadn't worked out differently.

Ha ha ha ha.

[T00ts]

An early-years-Thatcher Conservative party — ie, aim to remove govt and trade unions from managing and running businesses, reduce support for outdated business, encourage entrepreneurship and individual ownership where wanted, push for new technologies and revitalising left-behind cities. In short a party that aims to get Britain standing on its own feet, but able to seize the advantages of international alliances, cooperation and trade...

I quite like that. That is a surprise because it embodies a lot of what I feel society should be. Within that I would want a decent safety net for those unable to stand alone, but not a catch all regardless.

[papasmurf]

In short a party that aims to get Britain standing on its own feet, but able to seize the advantages of international alliances, cooperation and trade...

Best of luck with that.

[patman post]

An early-years-Thatcher Conservative party — ie, aim to remove govt and trade unions** from managing and running businesses, reduce support for outdated business, encourage entrepreneurship and individual ownership where wanted, push for new technologies and revitalising left-behind cities. In short a party that aims to get Britain standing on its own feet, but able to seize the advantages of international alliances, cooperation and trade...

** an exception could be the German model which, ironically, was partially the wish-list inspiration of the post war TUC...

[T00ts]

Retrograde Mars was something I noted with some mirth but the warnings of bad tempers and aggression do seem to have some truth here at the moment so, just for fun once again, we all moan about the Government and the main Opposition but that's a bit pointless unless we have a vision.

What would make your perfect political party? What would be the main ideology - I do hate that word because it suggest to me an inability to be flexible - that you would want?

What about MPs. Should they have qualities or qualifications before being allowed in front of the electorate?

I am hoping that we can avoid just criticising current parties, MPs or each other and also accept that Utopia doesn't exist.