Dyson got largest EU farm subsidy paid to a private landowner in En (£3.7m)

[GerryT]

Show me where it says EU contributions WOULD go to the NHS?

That's just like quoting Clinton when he said. "I never had sex with that woman,,Monica Lewinsky".
Like he tried to twist what he actual ment, which was he didn't have sex with her. He felt he hadn't lied, bullsh1t artist.

Same with the bus, carefully worded, first implying that the UK gives the EU 18.2b (350m) a yr when t doesn't and secondly implying 350m a week will be given to the NHS.
If you want to take the Bill Clinton line of defence then at best you just look as foolish as he did when that lie was disclosed. The red bus was used to make people think the NHS would be revamped with 350m a week, who wouldn't vote for that Brexit !!  In fact Johnson went on to say the number was Underestimated !!

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-says-his-350-million-a-week-brexit-claim-was-an-underestimate-2018-1?r=US&IR=T

Boris Johnson has defended the Leave campaign's claim that Brexit will give Britain an extra £350 million a week to spend on the NHS by arguing the campaign could have used a larger figure.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

[Baff]

Aaah but the art of propaganda is half truths.
The complete truth wouldn't work.

[T00ts]

Show me where it says EU contributions WOULD go to the NHS?

Oh I do wish they would stop misrepresenting this. THe bus clearly said

We send the EU £350 million a week.
Let's fund our NHS instead.

Some hack couldn't read and the mud stuck. We had been told we couldn't afford the NHS for years, here was a way of putting some cash into it. No-one ever said all of it.

[Nick]

you assured us that money destined for the EU would go to the NHS

Show me where it says EU contributions WOULD go to the NHS?

[Baff]

Last week they said this about the Queen.
This week they are saying it about Dyson.

Who will be in line for this headline next week?

Farms get subsidies. /yawn.
We know aleady.

[Borg Refinery]

Well I don't know about milk and honey but yes it was the general consensus in UKIP that the UK would be a better place after we left the EU . As I have said many times though it wasn't UKIP that led the leave campaign it was the tories and its not UKIP in government to carry out the leaving process its the tories . What UKIP promised is neither here nor there , they were never in a position to act upon them .

The UKIP people were elected to take us out of the EU . Whatever Farage took it wasnt enough , whatever that EU funding was not used for the benefit of work in the EU really is not an issue . They did what they were elected to do by the UK electorate . For me it is a shame that people who have been working on us leaving for 20 +years are not in some way involved in the final part of process .

You mean not billionaires and Brexit bad bhoyz mired in scandal?

So you think

That's the problem with inventing arguments for others, ypu end up sounding like Javert.

[johnofgwent]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...

So you think those who oppose continued membership of the EU should refuse to take back the 60p of the £2.40 they were forced to hand over out of their taxes ? That only those who agree with a policy should be allowed to benefit from the economic mismanagement that policy imposes which causes their political disagreement ?

The EU started to skew our agricultural industry from the word go with its common agricultural policies that forced us to pay sky high prices for produce with overproduction being dumped outside of the EEC when ideas that we should create "security of supply" born from shortage in a war torn europe of the early fifties became beef and butter mountains and wine and milk lakes...

To complain that an entrepreneur who took his inventing away from the UK because peaked capped little hitlers in wiltshires planning department thought they could stomp over him in their jackboots then re-invests his millions in a UK sector that happens to be successful thanks to EU mismanagement of finances is the height of desperation.

[Streetwalker]

Well I don't know about milk and honey but yes it was the general consensus in UKIP that the UK would be a better place after we left the EU . As I have said many times though it wasn't UKIP that led the leave campaign it was the tories and its not UKIP in government to carry out the leaving process its the tories . What UKIP promised is neither here nor there , they were never in a position to act upon them .

The UKIP people were elected to take us out of the EU . Whatever Farage took it wasnt enough , whatever that EU funding was not used for the benefit of work in the EU really is not an issue . They did what they were elected to do by the UK electorate . For me it is a shame that people who have been working on us leaving for 20 +years are not in some way involved in the final part of process .

[Borg Refinery]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...

Repatriating our own money is not

Yes it is ripping people off, you assured us that money destined for the EU would go to the NHS, not the richest men in the country and on canapes forFromage and the IRA-loving, kiddy pron/jihadi video defenders who got peerages like Claire Fox in the BXP.

The EU has allowances or a pot so to speak for various projects . Farming subsides take up much of the EU budget with payments based on land area rather than produce or production .  £3m  out of an EU CAP budget of  what (est)  60 billion euros  per annum  though hardly chicken feed isnt exactly what you would expect from our highest  recipient . Everyone gets it based on land owned . A good reason for farmers who actually farm to vote leave which they did (58% ) Including of course Dyson .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2007/nov/18/businessandmedia8

The Tories opposed it too. Now what?

And there is your Brit Nat Remainer hypocrisy folks, no wonder the EU want rid of us when Remainers thwarted the EU at every opportunity.

Farage was cleared of any wrongdoing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42669293

The alignment of parties into European super parties was forced on UKIP by the EU

So the nasty EU made me do it? So they forced you to align with terroristic anti-semites and hardline white supremacists? There is just zero excuse.

I think the Jewish comment is a bit below the belt . Farage was just attempting to put into context the Russian threat to the USA elections by saying the Jewish lobby was a powerful force in America .He didnt say they were running things but (in conversation with the caller ) agreed that they maybe had more influence in America than Putin

No it's not below the belt when you conceded he aligns himself with hardline white supremo's and anti-semites in tye Europarl. And men like Steve Bannon who no one forced him to talk to. And all manner of other extremists.

I don't mind that we're leaving the EU as the country voted for it, but don't pretend that Dyson et al aren't hypocrites and scum and ditto for saying Brexit is good by default.

At least Bork admits it might be really bad but freedom from the EU is worth any price, fair enough. I can live with that

Hang on I never assured you of anything . It was them Tory's that were handing out the promises about more money for the NHS and the like .

Aren't you a Kipper? Are you saying they had no hand in promising streets overflowing with milk and honey if we leave?

Come on.

Its the EU that hands out the cabbage anyway and giving it to their own

I think you'll find it's a turnip in the country.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0526722/characters/nm0733153

the rich people is par for the course . Makes you wonder why anyone would vote for the bastards .  That the Tories voted against CAP reforms has nothing to do with leavers , they were remainers at the time and had their mates benefitting from the hand outs , remember , never trust a Tory

..Or an ex-Tory, ie Kipper party bureaucrats.

Your link refering to the Farage allowance's is not the one I thought we were talking about when he declared he took the EU for £2M . Thats (your link ) a later episode regarding one of his staffs salaries

He admitted he 'took the EU' for £2m and you're proudly boasting of this? 

Going back over old ground a bit with the European Parties but yes UKIP had to align with anyone they could . The EU changed its funding rules for MEP's and Parties at the European parliament . Some would say to disadvantage the smaller eurosceptic parties . That they basically all joined the UKIP led EFD was much unexpected . The EU at the time thought the other Eurosceptics would just filter in line with the socialists or conservatives leaving UKIP out on a limb without funding and no platform in the parliament .

The link gives some rules that UKIP had to follow to get funding .

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/contracts-and-grants/en/political-parties-and-foundations/european-political-parties#:~:text=The%20rules%20for%20this%20form%20of%20funding%20are,budget%20line%20402%20of%20the%20European%20Parliament%E2%80%99s%20budget.

Maybe the alliances ,a marriage of convenience is explained better here 
https://ukipinformer.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/ukip-faces-question-about-its-far-right-friends-in-europe/

Farage did all he could , at any price maybe not but pushing the boundaries and bending rules is fair game given the prize .

Yeah allying with white supremo's and vicious anti-semites is worth it, that's what was said by them; that and the nasty EU made em' do it.

[Streetwalker]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...

Repatriating our own money is not

Yes it is ripping people off, you assured us that money destined for the EU would go to the NHS, not the richest men in the country and on canapes forFromage and the IRA-loving, kiddy pron/jihadi video defenders who got peerages like Claire Fox in the BXP.

The EU has allowances or a pot so to speak for various projects . Farming subsides take up much of the EU budget with payments based on land area rather than produce or production .  £3m  out of an EU CAP budget of  what (est)  60 billion euros  per annum  though hardly chicken feed isnt exactly what you would expect from our highest  recipient . Everyone gets it based on land owned . A good reason for farmers who actually farm to vote leave which they did (58% ) Including of course Dyson .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2007/nov/18/businessandmedia8

The Tories opposed it too. Now what?

And there is your Brit Nat Remainer hypocrisy folks, no wonder the EU want rid of us when Remainers thwarted the EU at every opportunity.

Farage was cleared of any wrongdoing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42669293

The alignment of parties into European super parties was forced on UKIP by the EU

So the nasty EU made me do it? So they forced you to align with terroristic anti-semites and hardline white supremacists? There is just zero excuse.

I think the Jewish comment is a bit below the belt . Farage was just attempting to put into context the Russian threat to the USA elections by saying the Jewish lobby was a powerful force in America .He didnt say they were running things but (in conversation with the caller ) agreed that they maybe had more influence in America than Putin

No it's not below the belt when you conceded he aligns himself with hardline white supremo's and anti-semites in tye Europarl. And men like Steve Bannon who no one forced him to talk to. And all manner of other extremists.

I don't mind that we're leaving the EU as the country voted for it, but don't pretend that Dyson et al aren't hypocrites and scum and ditto for saying Brexit is good by default.

At least Bork admits it might be really bad but freedom from the EU is worth any price, fair enough. I can live with that

Hang on I never assured you of anything . It was them Tory's that were handing out the promises about more money for the NHS and the like . Its the EU that hands out the cabbage anyway and giving it to their own ,the rich people is par for the course . Makes you wonder why anyone would vote for the bastards .  That the Tories voted against CAP reforms has nothing to do with leavers , they were remainers at the time and had their mates benefitting from the hand outs , remember , never trust a Tory

Your link refering to the Farage allowance's is not the one I thought we were talking about when he declared he took the EU for £2M . Thats (your link ) a later episode regarding one of his staffs salaries

Going back over old ground a bit with the European Parties but yes UKIP had to align with anyone they could . The EU changed its funding rules for MEP's and Parties at the European parliament . Some would say to disadvantage the smaller eurosceptic parties . That they basically all joined the UKIP led EFD was much unexpected . The EU at the time thought the other Eurosceptics would just filter in line with the socialists or conservatives leaving UKIP out on a limb without funding and no platform in the parliament .

The link gives some rules that UKIP had to follow to get funding .

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/contracts-and-grants/en/political-parties-and-foundations/european-political-parties#:~:text=The%20rules%20for%20this%20form%20of%20funding%20are,budget%20line%20402%20of%20the%20European%20Parliament%E2%80%99s%20budget.

Maybe the alliances ,a marriage of convenience is explained better here 
https://ukipinformer.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/ukip-faces-question-about-its-far-right-friends-in-europe/

Farage did all he could , at any price maybe not but pushing the boundaries and bending rules is fair game given the prize .

[Borg Refinery]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...

Repatriating our own money is not

Yes it is ripping people off, you assured us that money destined for the EU would go to the NHS, not the richest men in the country and on canapes forFromage and the IRA-loving, kiddy pron/jihadi video defenders who got peerages like Claire Fox in the BXP.

The EU has allowances or a pot so to speak for various projects . Farming subsides take up much of the EU budget with payments based on land area rather than produce or production .  £3m  out of an EU CAP budget of  what (est)  60 billion euros  per annum  though hardly chicken feed isnt exactly what you would expect from our highest  recipient . Everyone gets it based on land owned . A good reason for farmers who actually farm to vote leave which they did (58% ) Including of course Dyson .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2007/nov/18/businessandmedia8

The Tories opposed it too. Now what?

And there is your Brit Nat Remainer hypocrisy folks, no wonder the EU want rid of us when Remainers thwarted the EU at every opportunity.

Farage was cleared of any wrongdoing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42669293

The alignment of parties into European super parties was forced on UKIP by the EU

So the nasty EU made me do it? So they forced you to align with terroristic anti-semites and hardline white supremacists? There is just zero excuse.

I think the Jewish comment is a bit below the belt . Farage was just attempting to put into context the Russian threat to the USA elections by saying the Jewish lobby was a powerful force in America .He didnt say they were running things but (in conversation with the caller ) agreed that they maybe had more influence in America than Putin

No it's not below the belt when you conceded he aligns himself with hardline white supremo's and anti-semites in tye Europarl. And men like Steve Bannon who no one forced him to talk to. And all manner of other extremists.

I don't mind that we're leaving the EU as the country voted for it, but don't pretend that Dyson et al aren't hypocrites and scum and ditto for saying Brexit is good by default.

At least Bork admits it might be really bad but freedom from the EU is worth any price, fair enough. I can live with that

[Streetwalker]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...

Repatriating our own money is not ripping anyone off .  The EU has allowances or a pot so to speak for various projects . Farming subsides take up much of the EU budget with payments based on land area rather than produce or production .  £3m  out of an EU CAP budget of  what (est)  60 billion euros  per annum  though hardly chicken feed isnt exactly what you would expect from our highest  recipient . Everyone gets it based on land owned . A good reason for farmers who actually farm to vote leave which they did (58% ) Including of course Dyson .

The kiddy porn /jihadi video article is behind a paywall

The Farage MEP allowances has been done to death  , that money helped us get out and the free Oranjeboom and Canapes at UKIP meetings was much appreciated . No case to answer for leavers though I accept  remoaners  might have an issue with it .Farage was cleared of any wrongdoing by the EU after something to do with Farage saying you show me yours and I'll show you mine .  It was a while ago now and forgotten by all but those who are still sulking about the result .

The alignment of parties into European super parties was forced on UKIP by the EU . If you were not in an EU party with so many other national parties  you had no say in the EU Parliament . The eurosceptic parties party was the only one of sufficient size that allowed Farage his weekly rant which Im sure we would all agree was the highlight of the session 

I think the Jewish comment is a bit below the belt . Farage was just attempting to put into context the Russian threat to the USA elections by saying the Jewish lobby was a powerful force in America .He didnt say they were running things but (in conversation with the caller ) agreed that they maybe had more influence in America than Putin

[Barry]

Well, let's see what our ex-Dyson worker has to say about this one.

[Borg Refinery]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexiteer-dyson-claimed-more-than-3-million-in-eu-farming-handouts/28/09/

Wait, let me guess, it's ok to 'rip off the EU cos they've done it to us for years'. Just like it was OK when BXPers hired this horrible woman ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/25/people-should-free-watch-child-porn-jihadi-videos-online-says/?fbclid=IwAR3jAL-2teDQVSY-8UUfe550SD-R8lqdKc6rkLPF- ), or when Forage decided to rip off MEP expenses, or when he aligned with anti-semitic terror lovers in the Europarl or when he talked about the Jews running things
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-jewish-farage-brexit-698486%3famp=1

. ....or..etc...