Suez Syndrome

[Thomas]

I'm confused! What's a sock-puppet? Is it like a jock-muppet? Which is worse?

Do you know what i was laughing at yesterday?

Sir keir knight of the realm starmer talking about how labour could win holyrood in may.

Richard Leonard can become Scotland's next First Minister, insists Sir Keir Starmer

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1317149204939218946

When you talk about delusion and "syndromes" , sir keir knight of the realm epitomises this to a feckin tee.

These labour party muppets really are in cloud cuckoo land. Gove said this morning on sky that keir starmer has built a political career on shifting sands , and he wasnt wrong at all. Not only that , while single handedly destroying labours general election campsign over brexit , he is constantly undermining ricky leopards campaign in scotland for the holyrood elections.

Could labour have picked a bigger muppet to lead their party?

A champagne london centric kid on socialist hated north of the watford gap?

Scottish Parliament constituency voting intentions:

SNP 58%
Conservatives 19%
Labour 13%
Liberal Democrats 8%

Scottish Parliament regional list voting intentions:

SNP 47%
Conservatives 19%
Labour 13%
Greens 9%
Liberal Democrats 8%

Seats projection: SNP 73 (+10), Conservatives 22 (-9), Labour 15 (-9), Greens 10 (+4), Liberal Democrats 9 (+4)

Pro-independence parties 83 seats (+14), anti-independence parties 46 seats (-14)

poor auld labour still in third place in scotland jostling for the bronze medal with the liberals and greens.

couldnt happen to a nicer party.

[Cor Blimey!]

Stockholm syndrome.........suez syndrome...........bitter whiney bad loser syndrome........?



The only person on this forum with a "syndrome" appears to be the type the relentlessly keeps setting up sock puppets in foreign disguise.


you are about as irish as i am american.

I'm confused! What's a sock-puppet? Is it like a jock-muppet? Which is worse?

[Thomas]

I suggest that it's the general bowdlerisation of British history that has skewed the opinions of many...

I dont think anyone on this forum is going to take lessons on nationalism or history from a hypocrite such as you.

[Thomas]

In 1956, British troops invaded Egypt. They promptly had to pack their bags and leave. Why? Because the U.S.A ordered their withdrawal.

The affair seems to have had a profound effect on the British psyche. Because they had to do what they were told, they now assume that that is the natural order of things; that every small country must be kow-towing to a bigger one. For example, they believe  that Germany and France must be the  EU's masters and the smaller states their minions.

Let's be clear about one thing: just because Britain chose to be America's poodle doesn't mean that the rest of us have no pride. Your assumption is nothing more than psychological projection.  I suggest that, for ease of reference, this phenomenon should be referred to as Suez Syndrome on this forum.

Stockholm syndrome.........suez syndrome...........bitter whiney bad loser syndrome........?

Now you have cleared up suez for the forum , lets stop brexit shall we?

The english dont want to be part of the eu , and you can analyse it all day long , or make digs about history all day long , but the majority dont share your view.

The only person on this forum with a "syndrome" appears to be the type the relentlessly keeps setting up sock puppets in foreign disguise.

Is this paddy in vancouver wheeze supposed to subconsciously display your "internationalist " credentials?

you are about as irish as i am american.

[papasmurf]

This attitude of the yanks has gone on to this day. They are not to be trusted and they most certainly are NOT remotely any friend of ours.

Just a pity more of the current crop of British politicians  don't realise that.

[johnofgwent]

Your history is as screwed as most of your opinions.

I owe my existence to the Suez crisis.

when the trouble kicked off, dad was in uniform with the royal corps of signals but found himself sitting in cyprus keeping a couple of radar installations and the missiles that protected our airbase there intact.

Back in 1993/94 when I was freelancing I and about 15 others like me were dragged to marconi chelmsford to urgently finish the testing and shakedown of a then rather newfangled radar system they would be selling to three customers, two of whom I could always talk about, and one i couldn't at the time and probably still can't. Lets just say one of the clients i was always able to talk about put their shiny new system on top of a hill on the largest island in their sovereign state, where it detected one of the aircraft operated by its its national carrier (oops did i just spill the beans on who bought it silly me) callsign MH370 hand a hard left turn it really should not have done....

During my time shaking down that system I met a man who told me of his time flying english electric lightnings out of cyprus during the conflict. Dad was posted there as one of a team from the Royal Corps of Signals whose job it was to sort out manner of amusement (not) in the radar systems and the missile systems that protected the airbase. As this chap said, i thought your name was familiar ... it's a funny and small world sometime.

Dad came back for Christmas 1956 but all hell broke loose after a scramble went rather sideways. It seems the radar operators saw several blips they could not fathom in the area of the canal and sent this chap out with a wingman to try and see what the bloody hell was going on. Guided to the area they reported no other air traffic of any kind.  Later, a photo recon flight matched the pattern of shipping stationary in the suez canal with the blips on the radar. As best people could tell the desert heat had refracted the radar waves falsely placing the ship hulks at about 10,000 feet.

Dad was sent back to Cyprus at about the time the operation crumbled to shit, with upgrades to the system to combat the heat haze.

His account of the US over this was excoriating top put it bluntly.

Their later actions would leave us bereft of a promised upgrade to our nuclear deterrent at the height of russian MAD ness and some fairly desperate measures to rework the systems on the Avro Vulcan which found itself missing the promised systems the yanks persuaded us to abandon our own development in favour of theirs.

This attitude of the yanks has gone on to this day. They are not to be trusted and they most certainly are NOT remotely any friend of ours.

[DeppityDawg]

I am not a great believer in the strong man theory of history, but things might have been better had Eden not been such an other worldly character.

I dunno about Eden mate. I was just pointing out the rank hypocrisy of "Lord Haw Haw" Postbox Pat, who has been caught out numerous times 'modifying' history to make it better suit his jaundiced views, warning others of the dangers of revised history

[Borchester]

What? You mean like when people tell lies about events like the Cod War, then end up looking like a complete p***k when the actual records show they were lying? That kind of thing you mean....no wait....!

I am not a great believer in the strong man theory of history, but things might have been better had Eden not been such an other worldly character.

Britain had dumped India and started on the two decade retreat from Empire. A deal was on offer from the Egyptians and the Greeks were building the supertankers that would make the Suez Canal unnecessary.

A deal could have been made but on one of the few occasions in his life, Eden decided to stop being a civilised English gentleman and became a hardcase instead. Unfortunately he wasn't very good at it.

[DeppityDawg]

I suggest that it's the general bowdlerisation of British history that has skewed the opinions of many...

What? You mean like when people tell lies about events like the Cod War, then end up looking like a complete p***k when the actual records show they were lying? That kind of thing you mean....no wait....!

[patman post]

Your history is as screwed as most of your opinions.

I suggest that it's the general bowdlerisation of British history that has skewed the opinions of many...

[Cor Blimey!]

That's my line!

Don't we know it!

[T00ts]

Lol! First giggle of the day!

That's my line! 

[Cor Blimey!]

Your history is as screwed as most of your opinions.

Lol! First giggle of the day!

[T00ts]

In 1956, British troops invaded Egypt. They promptly had to pack their bags and leave. Why? Because the U.S.A ordered their withdrawal.

The affair seems to have had a profound effect on the British psyche. Because they had to do what they were told, they now assume that that is the natural order of things; that every small country must be kow-towing to a bigger one. For example, they believe  that Germany and France must be the  EU's masters and the smaller states their minions.

Let's be clear about one thing: just because Britain chose to be America's poodle doesn't mean that the rest of us have no pride. Your assumption is nothing more than psychological projection.  I suggest that, for ease of reference, this phenomenon should be referred to as Suez Syndrome on this forum.

Your history is as screwed as most of your opinions.

[Streetwalker]

In 1956, British troops invaded Egypt. They promptly had to pack their bags and leave. Why? Because the U.S.A ordered their withdrawal.

The affair seems to have had a profound effect on the British psyche. Because they had to do what they were told, they now assume that that is the natural order of things; that every small country must be kow-towing to a bigger one. For example, they believe  that Germany and France must be the  EU's masters and the smaller states their minions.

Let's be clear about one thing: just because Britain chose to be America's poodle doesn't mean that the rest of us have no pride. Your assumption is nothing more than psychological projection.  I suggest that, for ease of reference, this phenomenon should be referred to as Suez Syndrome on this forum.

Your history seems a little lopsided CB .maybe you have another political agenda that you feels needs propping up .   For the record the UK along with France and Israel were involved with the invasion of Egypt . This was objected to by the USA ,the Soviet Union and ultimately the United Nations  which led to the withdrawal of troops that were replaced with UN peacekeeping forces (Led by Canadian forces by the way ) .

The USA were against the invasion but it was hardly on their  orders that the protection of the Suez ended.  The UK and the USA have been allies for some time but poodle ?
I dont think so ,apart from Blairs collusion (in attempt for a higher personal global profile)  with Bush in another ill fated excursion into the middle east  I see little evidence of the UK ever being led by the lead of barking to orders . (Vietnam ? )

The British psyche is one that punch above our weight ,that we are a global nation  ,are members of the worlds major institutions and a nation that felt trapped within the confines of the EU which were getting too big for their boots .