Ian Austin says vote Conservative

[Thomas]

The UK will be on its knees and bankrupt long before the next GE comes round again, if dithering can't make my mind up Comrade Corbyn gets into No 10, time to jump ship if he does

 :thup:

[Churchill]

Brexit is for a generation — there'll be a chance to vote Corbyn out in five years max...

The UK will be on its knees and bankrupt long before the next GE comes round again, if dithering can't make my mind up Comrade Corbyn gets into No 10, time to jump ship if he does

[Barry]

Great post JoG, that whole situation just stinks. Vote blue and get red and green. No wonder the electorate are dismayed.

[johnofgwent]

Here's the problem with voting tory in our constituency



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Here's the TORY candidate for Newport East.



But hey, what the hell is that rosette she is wearing.



Mohammed "call me oscar" Asghar, a former LABOUR councillor, switched his allegiance to the welsh nationalists in 2007 and in doing so managed to become their first "ethnic" AM to sit in the welsh assembly,  but he wasn't there for long. Shortly after gaining the seat, which was a PARTY REGIONAL SEAT won by him on the basis of votes NOT for the man (or woman) but for the PARTY,  he found to his dismay that Plaid chose to IMMEDIATELY take up a recommendation of the Senedd presiding officer that no AM should employ a family member, and it fell to the party head, Ieuan Wyn Jones, to tell Asghar that he could not employ his family members.



So he defected. He resigned the whip but refused to resign the seat. Which was not his to keep, morally at least.



FORTUNATELY the President of the Senedd was a long term welsh nationalist, and it fell to him to tell the annoyed Senedd that the rules under which this insane organisation was set up stipulated that once elected a member could resign the party whip and take another and NOT be forced out even if his election was for a party regional seat. I say it was fortunate the life president of the cottage burners was the man chosen to break thenews because i think they would have probably burned the cottage and the occupants of anyone else who tried to pul tht particular stunt off.



Andrew RT Davies the welsh tory leader saw no problem in bribing asghar wioth a cushy job for his wife AND his daughter, and not a penny of it actually went to any charity which Asghar had previously publicly pledged it would.



The picture above is actually taken from Natasha Asghar's failed attempt to become the Plaid Cymru MP for Abertillery when I was standing in the adjacent ward. When her father was a labour councillior, naturally Natasha and her mum were good little socialists.



As you can see above, when he was a Plaid AM, she was more than happy to stand as a plaid cymru candidate, a party known for its hard left stance on many issues which palces it further left even tnah corbyn.



One might ask why (other than the fact her dad's defected to the tories and is taking bribes in the form of "salaries and expenses" for his  missus and his kid) Natasha has forsaken her middle of the road left, and then hard left, allegiances and picked up the tory banner now.

[Nick]

Well a generation is defined by the uk under the holier than thou GFA as 7 years........so that two years more than a parliamentary term.



Think how much damage the marxist corbyn could do in five years......

But the actual definition of a generation is 25 years. God help us if Labour were to govern the country for 25 days let alone 25 years.

[Borg Refinery]

We discussed this the other week on wings.....













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Fair enough pal. I can see why you're so pissed and frustrated about the whole thing.



Yeh I don't at all support Lab's position on Scotland, either now or historically, and folks like Dugdale were bloody awful and Scot Labour frankly got what they deserved.



In answer to your question across several threads, I will tactically vote for Labour because they've got a good chance of beating the Tories; my MP (not standing again) was Rudd who imho rightly resigned from Bojo's govt.



I don't like the Lab candidate at all, he is almost universally disliked even by those in his own party.



The whole thing is indeed a huge clusterfeck and as the Revd says on that blog...God have mercy on us.

[Thomas]

Brexit is for a generation — there'll be a chance to vote Corbyn out in five years max...

Well a generation is defined by the uk under the holier than thou GFA as 7 years........so that two years more than a parliamentary term.



Think how much damage the marxist corbyn could do in five years......

[patman post]

:hattip  :thup:



Fully agree.



...and if i were a traditional english tory remain voter thinking about voting liberals , remember your potential vote for the liberals is going to put corbyn in number 10 downing street.



I think i would rather take my chances with brexit in that circumstance than have a marxist anti semite remain kicking brexit down the road causing untold economic damage and misery pain and confusion for years to come.

Brexit is for a generation — there'll be a chance to vote Corbyn out in five years max...

[Thomas]

I'd like to see a Lib Lab SNP TIGC Plaid etc coalition for now, to stop this undemocratic travesty that no Leave voter voted for; seeing as not one of the Leave campaigns campaigned on no deal Brexit.

We discussed this the other week on wings.....

 Labour, and in particular Jeremy Corbyn, are simply far too unpopular to deliver a situation where the SNP can effectively hold them to ransom for a second indyref.

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[Thomas]

I am very undecided as I stated in another post at the moment if to vote for the Tories or if we have Brexit candidate in my constituency for him or her, I think my constituency will remain Tory, but being a belt and braces kind of man I am now more inclined with each passing day to vote Tory to keep the Marxists led Labour Party out



If I lived in say Islington, Highgate ( I wish) or Camden the strongholds of Champagnes Charlies I would vote Brexit Party if one bothers to stand which IMO would be a waste of time I would for certain vote Brexit a futile gesture but better than being silent.

Well there you have it in the post above of dynamis churchill. He wants nicola sturgeon to take jeremy under her wings and stop england getting brexit.



If i was english , i would be running like an olympic sprinter down to the polling station to vote tory.

[Thomas]

I'd like to see a Lib Lab SNP TIGC Plaid etc coalition for now, to stop this undemocratic travesty that no Leave voter voted for; seeing as not one of the Leave campaigns campaigned on no deal Brexit.

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To get this though the english parties will have to agree to indyref two. ::  :roll:



who you votin for then dynamis?

[Borg Refinery]

Non voting, spoilt ballots etc are a valid & recognized tactic across the Continent and elsewhere; arguments against them hold no water. As regards the Tories and their members; the anti-semitism & islamophobia, racism and bbqgbltbta stuff reflects back on them as various polling of Tory members, endless scandals etc have proven in perpetuity.



And Ian Austin and Watson have form for this type of thing -



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Not a massive fan of Labour, socialism, leftism etc despite the various guile chucked around this place; but I can see wrongful arguments when they're being employed as discrediting propaganda.



Actually, it's the SNP who have the best positions of any party. I wish there was an English version.



There is some irony in decrying Corby as a loony lefty when the big banks are even starting to favour him, along with pound traders.



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wells fargo, mufg bank, societe general, citigroup, morgan stanley, state street bank and others actually directly favour Corbyn to Johnson...AND OLD MCDONNELL JUST PLEDGED TO ABOLISH BANKER'S BONUSES COMPLETELY!



It's not that McDonnell is any good...IMHO it's that Bojo et al are worse than useless, majorly useless.



I'd like to see a Lib Lab SNP TIGC Plaid etc coalition for now, to stop this undemocratic travesty that no Leave voter voted for; seeing as not one of the Leave campaigns campaigned on no deal Brexit.



Not one of them.



In my humble opining, it is May's fault for negotiating such a bad deal for us in the first place. And it is Cameron's fault for majorly pissing off when the going got tough.

[Churchill]

I am very undecided as I stated in another post at the moment if to vote for the Tories or if we have Brexit candidate in my constituency for him or her, I think my constituency will remain Tory, but being a belt and braces kind of man I am now more inclined with each passing day to vote Tory to keep the Marxists led Labour Party out



If I lived in say Islington, Highgate ( I wish) or Camden the strongholds of Champagnes Charlies I would vote Brexit Party if one bothers to stand which IMO would be a waste of time I would for certain vote Brexit a futile gesture but better than being silent.

[Thomas]

While I agree extensively with what you say I would make the following observations.



Regardless of the appalling and undemocratic conduct of a majority of our parliamentary representatives, we as citizens of what is still fundamentally a great nation, have a moral duty to use our vote, even if to only spoil our ballot papers to show our disgust. I have always advocated an additional 'candidate' option on all ballot papers titled 'none of the above' and the number of votes for 'none of the above' should be published and treated with the same respect as any other candidate. It is important our representatives know when they don't deserve our vote. Those who have not bothered to vote have no moral right to an opinion in my view.



Secondly if the massive moderate centre fail to vote through disgust, distrust or apathy then it leaves the field open for the extremists on both the right and left. Right wing extremism forms a tiny minority, however left wing extremism now dominates the second largest political party in the UK. There is a very real danger that moderate voters within the Liberal Democrats and within the Tories who don't vote will allow the most left wing authoritarian government into power through the back door as it were.

 :hattip  :thup:



Fully agree.



...and if i were a traditional english tory remain voter thinking about voting liberals , remember your potential vote for the liberals is going to put corbyn in number 10 downing street.



I think i would rather take my chances with brexit in that circumstance than have a marxist anti semite remain kicking brexit down the road causing untold economic damage and misery pain and confusion for years to come.

[Major Sinic]

I have exactly the same dilemma and as the days pass I find I am less convinced than ever. The news of so many seemingly unworthy candidates on all sides makes me even more concerned as to the calibre of those putting themselves forward.

I can't help but wonder though if we have the candidates we deserve. The  last posse in Westminster has angered and frustrated so many of the electorate in the past 3 years that it is hardly surprising that that anger has spilled over into attacks on the value of parliament, but that in itself may well have lowered the standard of future candidates simply from fear. The point being I suppose that now any politician needs to make only promises that they are prepared to keep. Scrutiny is so much higher and instantaneous now via the media. It is time for integrity.

While I agree extensively with what you say I would make the following observations.



Regardless of the appalling and undemocratic conduct of a majority of our parliamentary representatives, we as citizens of what is still fundamentally a great nation, have a moral duty to use our vote, even if to only spoil our ballot papers to show our disgust. I have always advocated an additional 'candidate' option on all ballot papers titled 'none of the above' and the number of votes for 'none of the above' should be published and treated with the same respect as any other candidate. It is important our representatives know when they don't deserve our vote. Those who have not bothered to vote have no moral right to an opinion in my view.



Secondly if the massive moderate centre fail to vote through disgust, distrust or apathy then it leaves the field open for the extremists on both the right and left. Right wing extremism forms a tiny minority, however left wing extremism now dominates the second largest political party in the UK. There is a very real danger that moderate voters within the Liberal Democrats and within the Tories who don't vote will allow the most left wing authoritarian government into power through the back door as it were.