Re: Forget the past it's the here & now and other off topic stuff

[Borg Refinery]

Rubbish?
Please outline by what method Boris or Patel could even in your wildest imagination restore empire or starve Ireland in to submission.

Did you read the link I sent you earlier in the thread? I guess not.. it was detailed for you there?

Restoring the 'empire', well according to them they're going to make us like singapore. You've probably been there and can tell me what it is like. You can tell me how ruthless a society that is under near total authoritarian rule that makes even the worst COVID restrictions look like kid's play.

The point is how their rhetoric translates to action & policy..and it's bad. No we'll never get our 'empire' back, but the things they are going to do which they've laid out, plus their rhetorical imperial crap, tells you ALL you need to know.

[cromwell]

Rubbish.

If you think Bojo isn't ruthless enough and nasty enough then you're wrong.

The rhetoric is disgusting and isn't even worth spitting on. Saying that Ireland should be starved is disgusting whether they truly mean it or not?

And if it's just rhetoric then why has this govt gone to great lengths to deport windrush genners and to feck up grenfell and all the other nasty stuff they've done? You think they're cuddly hug a hoody's who like secretly to help people while seeming tough?

I know you're not that naive.

Rubbish?
Please outline by what method Boris or Patel could even in your wildest imagination restore empire or starve Ireland in to submission.

Windrush was a monumental cock up and I never for a minute consider the tories as a whole cuddly or caring,now some individuals that's a different matter.

[Borg Refinery]

No you're missing the point,it is just rhetoric the empire has gone never to return and nobody wants nor supports  starving anybody,not even  that product of empire who is playing to the gallery..

Rubbish.

If you think Bojo isn't ruthless enough and nasty enough then you're wrong.

The rhetoric is disgusting and isn't even worth spitting on. Saying that Ireland should be starved is disgusting whether they truly mean it or not?

And if it's just rhetoric then why has this govt gone to great lengths to deport windrush genners and to feck up grenfell and all the other nasty stuff they've done? You think they're cuddly hug a hoody's who like secretly to help people while seeming tough?

I know you're not that naive.

[cromwell]

Ah, but you're missing the point. People like Bojo and Patel don't just not apologize for it, they're actively celebrating it and saying they want the restoration and rehonouring of our Empire as a great thing. Patel proudly says we should starve Irl into submission....

You don't want that do you? You want success without subjugating others, or I assume you do. They don't. Gerry (mostly on this thread) takes issue with them.

He has posted some stuff aimed at all us English and yeah I called him out for it, but what he's saying about our govt causing famines there isn't really so unreasonable is it?

Of course, he misses out the EU rhetoric where they threaten us too but two wrongs don't make a right..

No you're missing the point,it is just rhetoric the empire has gone never to return and nobody wants nor supports  starving anybody,not even  that product of empire who is playing to the gallery..

[Borg Refinery]

I just don't really like Gerry. But then I don't really like anyone 

Seriously, I don't know what his motivation for being here is. I can't remember how many times he's claimed he doesn't care, yet he's still posting on a forum he knows is populated by Brexiters. There is an at least equal amount of "na-na-nah-na-nah you suck" coming the other way

As for me admiring Putin? No comment. I believe in strong leadership and effective government, not necessarily Vladimir Putin's (or UK conservatives). Goodfellow used to go on at length about it, calling me a "facilitator" and an enabler, "in word and deed", according to him. Those were among his less vitriolic accusations 

In the end General, I support those who share or stand by my values. Whether those values are important to others or not, I've given up worrying about, because there are many to whom they clearly are not. If that makes me a "Putin lover", an "enabler" or whatever, I don't care anymore. To me my values are under attack. With things like gender identity for instance, its a question of which ditches you are prepared die in. I don't care whether people like Nalaar or Javert dislike me because of it, or call me a nazi or a Putin lover. They are my values and thats what I will fight them for as long as I'm still breathing.

Hey, wait hold on, it was just a joke, you mentioned somewhere that you kind of like Putin a bit, or maybe my memory's faulty in which case I apologize. I was just gently ribbing myself there as much as I was you based on misreading our beliefs..

I assume goodfellow is like a really anglicized italian gangster character or something as people talk about him in hushed tones as if he's very scary? On the other forum I was on I had neo nazi's promising to come and kill me so this is polite compared to your italian gangsster/frozen pizza guy. 😝

[DeppityDawg]

Everyone has a bias and often an agenda in posting, some try to hide it, like em or lump em (and as you can see I've given Gerry some schtick too at times) Gerry seems to be fairly upfront about wyat he thinks, I've challenged some of that.

What I hate are patronising twits who try to disguise it when their understanding is no better than those they are frit of, or criticise, particularly folks who can't even remember where Cheshire is for example, or who think everyone who doesn't vote Tory is a threat to society. With extra childish rhetoric about "ner we are so great and you suck!!11" (none of that is aimed at you or crom btw, I just think crom got a bit heated there which happens at times)- But to me, that style is the epitome of annoyance and is comparable to pappy's style of posting.

I'm sure after a while of childlike stupidity, Gerry is going to tink, fek dis ballicks ya sjupid eejit bai's, ya's country's a loooada shite.   

And meh, we know you secretly love Svyeta Putina and want this country under Putin-style iron grip with your deputy prime minister in his sampan in the Thames, announcing that viking raids will recommence against yhe Irish shortly.   Being a Cyrillic reading pinko commie myself, I would like a position in your cabinet please

I just don't really like Gerry. But then I don't really like anyone 

Seriously, I don't know what his motivation for being here is. I can't remember how many times he's claimed he doesn't care, yet he's still posting on a forum he knows is populated by Brexiters. There is an at least equal amount of "na-na-nah-na-nah you suck" coming the other way

As for me admiring Putin? No comment. I believe in strong leadership and effective government, not necessarily Vladimir Putin's (or UK conservatives). Goodfellow used to go on at length about it, calling me a "facilitator" and an enabler, "in word and deed", according to him. Those were among his less vitriolic accusations 

In the end General, I support those who share or stand by my values. Whether those values are important to others or not, I've given up worrying about, because there are many to whom they clearly are not. If that makes me a "Putin lover", an "enabler" or whatever, I don't care anymore. To me my values are under attack. With things like gender identity for instance, its a question of which ditches you are prepared die in. I don't care whether people like Nalaar or Javert dislike me because of it, or call me a nazi or a Putin lover. They are my values and thats what I will fight them for as long as I'm still breathing.

[Borg Refinery]

Whatever the facts,it wasn't the English was it?.

Are we really supposed to apologise,shit happened then and before....?how do you or he imagine life was like for the average English pleb,all riding round in a fancy carriage and toffs living in massive mansions with servants who were what,all Irish peasants (we'll probably some were) or badly treated slaves from the colonies.

When I said to him about the Yanks  and specifically Irish Americans and their dislike some with hatred of the English illustrates that he and they won't let go,he didn't get or chose to be blind to who has being exploiting others for decades now,still when China overtakes them who'll be doing the hate then?

And when I said about us being best at it we were,so what that was then this is now,so slavery was awful but did black Africans enslave fellow Africans?Arabs too and enslave whites.

Are we supposed to disown Drake and others who stole from Spain what Spain stole from others and gradually we built a massive empire (the envy of all our fellow European colonial powers) and many can't let go of that either who tell us the Malvinas belong to Argentina strongly supported by our ex eu partners Spain.

Shit happened and the Brits were good at exploiting that and I ain't going to apologise for that,that was then this is now.

BtwI I'm not angry.

Ah, but you're missing the point. People like Bojo and Patel don't just not apologize for it, they're actively celebrating it and saying they want the restoration and rehonouring of our Empire as a great thing. Patel proudly says we should starve Irl into submission....

You don't want that do you? You want success without subjugating others, or I assume you do. They don't. Gerry (mostly on this thread) takes issue with them.

He has posted some stuff aimed at all us English and yeah I called him out for it, but what he's saying about our govt causing famines there isn't really so unreasonable is it?

Of course, he misses out the EU rhetoric where they threaten us too but two wrongs don't make a right..

[cromwell]

Cromwell i dont agree with a lot of what gerry writes , as you know , but i also dont agree with this dig here about the" potato famine" in ireland.

A famine is described in the english dictionary as a "scarcity of food"...........there was no scarcity of food in mid nineteenth century ireland....so there was no famine.

We know from history that the anglo elite in london had wrote as early as the 17th century


Thats quote was written by lord arthur chichester , advisor to queen liz the first of england in 1601. Deliberately starving the irish had been thought of as a policy hundreds of years before the great hunger of 1845-1848. So i would say it was genocide , the deliberate killing of large numbers of a nation or people , when over half the irish popualtion was killed.

Your namesake cromwell did the same thing centuries earlier , and the british did the same thing elsewhere like bengal.

There was indeed a potato blight in mid 19th century ireland , but the irish didnt starve to death because of this , there was also plenty of food on the island.

John mitchell wrote in five years in british prisons ( new york 1854) that "

A british government official wrote from waterford in april 1846 ( cecil woodham smith , the great hunger 1962) "So what famine?

I think it best not to mention it cromwell , as it was one of the most feckin shamefull periods of "bwitish" history.

No can't believes it was a famine , just as no one blames the ordinary english people.......but the uk establishment is totally to blame.

Lord john russell giving a speech in 1846 in the house of lords was in no doubt who was to blame.....

Oh hello Thomas where have you been? good to see you back ....I think 
It wasn't a dig and your post illustrates precisely my point,it wasn't the English......it was a handful of people.

[Thomas]

how the potato famine wasn't a famine at all but genocide by those English again.

Cromwell i dont agree with a lot of what gerry writes , as you know , but i also dont agree with this dig here about the" potato famine" in ireland.

A famine is described in the english dictionary as a "scarcity of food"...........there was no scarcity of food in mid nineteenth century ireland....so there was no famine.

We know from history that the anglo elite in london had wrote as early as the 17th century

" i have often said and written that it is famine that must consume them( the irish)our swords and other endeavours work not that speedy effect which is expected for thier overthrow"

Thats quote was written by lord arthur chichester , advisor to queen liz the first of england in 1601. Deliberately starving the irish had been thought of as a policy hundreds of years before the great hunger of 1845-1848. So i would say it was genocide , the deliberate killing of large numbers of a nation or people , when over half the irish popualtion was killed.

Your namesake cromwell did the same thing centuries earlier , and the british did the same thing elsewhere like bengal.

There was indeed a potato blight in mid 19th century ireland , but the irish didnt starve to death because of this , there was also plenty of food on the island.

John mitchell wrote in five years in british prisons ( new york 1854) that

"immense herds of sheep , cattle and hogs floated off on every tide out of every one of ireland thirteen ports bound for england as the irish watched them sail off and then lay down by the roadside and died.

"

A british government official wrote from waterford in april 1846 ( cecil woodham smith , the great hunger 1962) "

the barges ( laden with food) leave clonmel once a week for this place , with the export supplies under convoy guarded by the (british ) army , consisting of two guns  50 cavalry and 80 infantry escorting them on the banks of the suir as far as carrick".

So what famine?

I think it best not to mention it cromwell , as it was one of the most feckin shamefull periods of "bwitish" history.

No cant believes it was a famine , just as no one blames the ordinary english people.......but the uk establishment is totally to blame.

Lord john russell giving a speech in 1846 in the house of lords was in no doubt who was to blame.....

" we ( the british) have made irleand the most miserable and degraded country inthe world , all the world is crying shame upon us , but we are equally callous to our ignominy and the results of our deliberate misdeeds and misgovernance."

[cromwell]

I have actually. I've told him Irl is no better, we had a long argument about it..

But there is some truth that our govt deliberately affected for the famine, whether it's a 'genocide' is debatable but it was caused and affected for and was 100% avoidable.

Whatever the facts,it wasn't the English was it?.

Are we really supposed to apologise,shit happened then and before....?how do you or he imagine life was like for the average English pleb,all riding round in a fancy carriage and toffs living in massive mansions with servants who were what,all Irish peasants (we'll probably some were) or badly treated slaves from the colonies.

When I said to him about the Yanks  and specifically Irish Americans and their dislike some with hatred of the English illustrates that he and they won't let go,he didn't get or chose to be blind to who has being exploiting others for decades now,still when China overtakes them who'll be doing the hate then?

And when I said about us being best at it we were,so what that was then this is now,so slavery was awful but did black Africans enslave fellow Africans?Arabs too and enslave whites.

Are we supposed to disown Drake and others who stole from Spain what Spain stole from others and gradually we built a massive empire (the envy of all our fellow European colonial powers) and many can't let go of that either who tell us the Malvinas belong to Argentina strongly supported by our ex eu partners Spain.

Shit happened and the Brits were good at exploiting that and I ain't going to apologise for that,that was then this is now.

BtwI I'm not angry.

[Borg Refinery]

Well you carry on thinking I lost my rag,and you haven't seen Gerry rambling on how his mammy told him all about those English bstards

I have actually. I've told him Irl is no better, we had a long argument about it..

r how the potato famine wasn't a famine at all but genocide by those English again.

But there is some truth that our govt deliberately affected for the famine, whether it's a 'genocide' is debatable but it was caused and affected for and was 100% avoidable.

[cromwell]

I don't see hate in his posts, more the occasional smug scornful indifference, not nice but again he's not entirely wrong about how some of our politicians have treated them recently, as said.

Everyone has a bias and often an agenda in posting, some try to hide it, like em or lump em (and as you can see I've given Gerry some schtick too at times) Gerry seems to be fairly upfront about wyat he thinks, I've challenged some of that.

What I hate are patronising twits who try to disguise it when their understanding is no better than those they are frit of, or criticise, particularly folks who can't even remember where Cheshire is for example, or who think everyone who doesn't vote Tory is a threat to society. With extra childish rhetoric about "ner we are so great and you suck!!11" (none of that is aimed at you or crom btw, I just think crom got a bit heated there which happens at times)- But to me, that style is the epitome of annoyance and is comparable to pappy's style of posting.

I'm sure after a while of childlike stupidity, Gerry is going to tink, fek dis ballicks ya sjupid eejit bai's, ya's country's a loooada shite.   

And meh, we know you secretly love Svyeta Putina and want this country under Putin-style iron grip with your deputy prime minister in his sampan in the Thames, announcing that viking raids will recommence against yhe Irish shortly.  Being a Cyrillic reading pinko commie myself, I would like a position in your cabinet please.

Well you carry on thinking I lost my rag,and you haven't seen Gerry rambling on how his mammy told him all about those English bstards or how the potato famine wasn't a famine at all but genocide by those English again.

[Borg Refinery]

Rage? ermm no but slung a few home truths to Gerry,like the fact so many of those awful English got a lot of different blood in them,no definitely no rage,a hint of sarcasm perhaps.

One thing for sure don't hate the Irish,Scots or any of our european neighbours....in fact not big on hating at all......I leave that to others.

I don't see hate in his posts, more the occasional smug scornful indifference, not nice but again he's not entirely wrong about how some of our politicians have treated them recently, as said.

Oh I don't know. Cromwells been posting here (I mean all the forums) for longer than I can remember, and he's more than capable of looking after himself. And to be fair to him, Gerry's obsession with a country he continually claims he doesn't give a shit about is just a front for his own less than "considered" motives. He's better at hiding it these days, but the mask has slipped a few times. He'd be a natural for your new thread...

Everyone has a bias and often an agenda in posting, some try to hide it, like em or lump em (and as you can see I've given Gerry some schtick too at times) Gerry seems to be fairly upfront about wyat he thinks, I've challenged some of that.

What I hate are patronising twits who try to disguise it when their understanding is no better than those they are frit of, or criticise, particularly folks who can't even remember where Cheshire is for example, or who think everyone who doesn't vote Tory is a threat to society. With extra childish rhetoric about "ner we are so great and you suck!!11" (none of that is aimed at you or crom btw, I just think crom got a bit heated there which happens at times)- But to me, that style is the epitome of annoyance and is comparable to pappy's style of posting.

I'm sure after a while of childlike stupidity, Gerry is going to tink, fek dis ballicks ya sjupid eejit bai's, ya's country's a loooada shite.   

And meh, we know you secretly love Svyeta Putina and want this country under Putin-style iron grip with your deputy prime minister in his sampan in the Thames, announcing that viking raids will recommence against yhe Irish shortly.  Being a Cyrillic reading pinko commie myself, I would like a position in your cabinet please.