Off topic thread (to the tower)

[DeppityDawg]

Is that your final answer or do you want to phone a friend ?

He doesn't have any friends. Can he ask the audience?

[papasmurf]

Is he actually barred from entry here ? I understand the ban was on entering the USA.

Just taken a look it appears he still has a lot of problems and cabinet papers about him due to be released in 2016 under the 30 year rule were blocked from release.

[johnofgwent]

Off topic but is Mark Thatcher still barred from Britain?

Is he actually barred from entry here ? I understand the ban was on entering the USA.

[papasmurf]

I saw his passing reported on what I'd call a veterans forum yesterday. Truly the sh*t he got up to would just not be allowed today

Off topic but is Mark Thatcher still barred from Britain?

[Baron von Lotsov]

 Anybody receiving a benefit should consider it a gift

It's more like a deal. The agreement is, someone on benefits agrees to all the restrictions of the state placed on them in return for enough money to live. If that money is not enough to live on and/or the restrictions are too much then that person will not make that deal. Regarding society, which we suppose is a democratic institution trying to protect its own interests, it is worth paying this money in order to get the person to do all the things they want. But as anyone in business knows, there is a kind of market price, and deals will only be made in a narrow band of options in the middle, i.e. what is a compromise or trade-off. So if we call the offer of the one side a gift then we must call the agreement to act out the set of actions demanded by the society as an exchanged gift. Compliance with the regs is their charity to the state. Lets hope these people in society enjoy the monkey show.

[Borchester]

Wiggles is serious, I know his type, he isn't joking, he is the sort of rabid Tory who is a DWP minister, or the pub professor who get barred from the pub.

Ok. Let us meet in the middle. Wiggles is actually Justin Tomlinson, but you are still a mug for letting him wind you up.

[papasmurf]

Wiggles is a windup merchant and you are a chump for falling for his spiel.

Wiggles is serious, I know his type, he isn't joking, he is the sort of rabid Tory who is a DWP minister, or the pub professor who get barred from the pub.

[Borchester]

I am not allowed to state what I know Wiggles is.

Wiggles is a windup merchant and you are a chump for falling for his spiel.

[papasmurf]

Wiggles is trying to  wind us up.

I am not allowed to state what I know Wiggles is.

[Borchester]

Not possible with someone as offensive as you are.

Wiggles is trying to  wind us up. Most of the other posters have realised this so now might be a good time for him to extract his tongue from his cheek and you to remove your head from your arse.



I was enjoying that thread on petrol. Could it be that the petrol separates into fractions over time. This might be noticable in a large tank, but not so much with the small one you get on a motor bike, particularly when the latter is being pushed and bumped to a workshop?

[papasmurf]

Well just be civilised then.

Not possible with someone as offensive as you are.

[Wiggles]

All of it.

I am no longer allowed to answer you how I would like to.

Well just be civilised then. I am sure you believe you have some valid points, and usual I am here to listen. To reiterate what I was saying. Anybody receiving a benefit should consider it a gift, In many countries around the world if you don't work you starve. Of course, we are a civilised country, so this doesn't happen. However, to consider any benefit a right, is just wrong. My second point was about euthanasia. Many countries such as Belgium, Switzerland  and Holland have euthanasia, and it's fair to say the majority of the public in the UK would like to see it introduced over here. Not for one minute would I condone euthanizing a disabled person with a minor disability, but there comes a point when either the person is very unhappy, or the state simply can't afford the support that person requires. My final point was about means testing. As much as we may disagree about disability benefit, paying out money to someone who is already quite wealthy is a horrible waist of public funds. I have already mentioned I have a good friend with a disabled son. He spends the mobility on a Motobility vehicle. In my friends words, he would have bought the same car himself whether his son was disabled or not, especially as he would need it anyway. The friend in question is close to being a millionaire as a result of two large inheritances.



Now, how could you possibly find any of that offensive ?

[papasmurf]

I am genuinely confused, what part disgusts you?

All of it.

I am no longer allowed to answer you how I would like to.

[Wiggles]

That is SO disgusting I dare not respond to it.

I am genuinely confused, what part disgusts you?

[papasmurf]

I don't like the word "entitlement". Anything disabled people are given by the government is a gift. No benefit should ever be considered an entitlement. No, I don't want disabled people topping themselves, but do believe there is a point when euthanasia should be considered, voluntary, and involuntary.  Why do you think I would make a claim if I became disabled. I have enough money to cope without going cap in hand, as I am sure many claimants have as well. I would hope you agree that all disability claims should be means tested?

That is SO disgusting I dare not respond to it.